Has Your Bible Become A Quran?

blogs.ancientfaith.com/glory2godforallthings ^ | Fr. Stephen Freeman

[ealgeone]

>>Christianity is not submission to God<< James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Submit in Greek hupotassó - I place unde r, subject to; mid, pass: I submit, put myself into subjection.

Catholics relying on these leaders who are obviously ignorant of what the word of God says is not going to turn out well for them.

they do display a lack of knowledge of the Greek. amazing.

[Gamecock]

Nah. You aren’t going to make the cafeteria Catholics on this site happy at all.

[caww]

...”Catholics relying on these leaders who are obviously ignorant of what the word of God says is not going to turn out well for them”.....

The article is a heap of goobly-goop similar to so many their people set out there, which simply are intended to feed and engage the “intellect” of catholics so they can further get lost in the layers upon layers of non-sense.

I At the very start the author set Christianity and Islam side by side......an immediate heads up he hadn’t a clue what he was talking about. There is no comparison they are diametrically opposites.

However not surprising such articles are out there as the catholic leadership is set on unity with Muslims and there continued path for that.

[CynicalBear]

>>However not surprising such articles are out there as the catholic leadership is set on unity with Muslims and there continued path for that.<<

The attitude of the Catholic Church in that regard is truly interesting given the times in which we live.

[Alex Murphy]

Nah. You aren’t going to make the cafeteria Catholics on this site happy at all.

I thought the CaffyCaffs were okay with it, but the RadTrads were the ones who were unhappy?

[Gamecock]

Nah. These guys and gals disagree with sections of the cathecism, picking and choosing as they go.

Oh they’ll rationalize, but the fact is they do not agree with what Rome, Inc. teaches.

[caww]

......" So long as they convert to the "right kind" of Catholicism, of course"....

Why would anyone convert to a church that displays 4,000 skulls, venerates them, and creates such things as this.... further naming it after the Immaculate Conception of Mary?

“Skull Chapel” where people worship..even hanging a skeleton under the roof, to be adored and venerated, and this 'in the heart of the Italian capital',.... located beneath the church of Santa Maria della Concezione dei Cappuccini in Rome, Italy.

What "Kind" of spiritual madness and insanity made the Vatican faithful make this kind of "art" to decorate a place of worship?

Here we have a copy-cat Jesus pictured in the center of these copses

The Church is the burial place of several cardinals, which are in the main central aisle to the alter so you actually walk over their remains to your seat

This church was built by Cardinal Antonio Barberini, who was 'the brother of Pope Urban VIII'.... "the first" church in Rome that was named for the Immaculate Conception of Mary"

[caww]

...”The attitude of the Catholic Church in that regard is truly interesting given the times in which we live”....

Yes it is...I’ve been following some of the events at the UN and the WCC regarding this unification of faiths...which includes Islam.... It’s far more advanced then many realize.

They’re uniting based on common causes such as the environment and helping the poor and third world countries.....and the acknowledgement that “all” serve the same God”. Which we know is not true. Further this wraps itself around all educational systems where the worlds children are being taught about their duty to protect “mother earth” etc.

It’s soooo deceptive Cynical...I can’t say enough about that.

[CynicalBear]

Satanic comes to mind when seeing those pictures.

[CynicalBear]

>>It’s soooo deceptive Cynical...I can’t say enough about that.<<

And it's just begun. People have no idea of what is coming.

[caww]

Yes, looks that way regardless how they tweek it to appear as if “Holy” and worthy of “veneration”..it’s not.

But then the dark side works that way as we know...twisting peoples minds to defy what their natural God given senses tells them, which they then ignore or excuse even further....layers then upon layers...year after year. Until their senses are no longer effective to discern good from evil.

God says to “bury the dead”...they dig them up.
God says not to “kneel down” to idols....they kneel.
God says it’s “an abomination”...they call it veneration.

...and the list goes on and STILL they refuse to see.

[CynicalBear]

>>..and the list goes on and STILL they refuse to see.<<

John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

[caww]

Yes,...but they had to turn away 'From'Him....'TO'something else.... 'behavior' is a matter of choice regardless of the mental dancing false teachers put in peoples heads.... .... And that begins with turning from God to "believe" in something else.....and the enemy of men's souls stands by to be certain that their 'belief' is filled with all sorts of counterfeits and other things to "dazzle" the heart, mind and soul...layering it with what 'appears' to be all sorts of things 'which conceals the reality' beneath.....as is said ..."All that glitters is not gold"....

[boatbums]

Protestants say that Catholics “added” seven books to the Old Testament. In fact, Luther even argued that seven New Testament books were not inspired, and rejected all doctrine from those seven books. (Modern Protestants have uniformly restored the seven New Testament deuterocanonicals to their bibles, so this has been forgotten largely.) Catholics assert that they have always been part of the canon. And indeed, they were universally read as scripture in masses (the Catholic test of what is scripture) since the first century.

I'm guessing that you meant to say the OLD Testament deuterocanonicals/apocryphal books? There are additional points that you err on as well. Here are a few links to help on that:

Luther on the Canon

The Formation of the New Testament Canon

The Apocrypha are not Canonical

[metmom]

It gives the word *macabre* a whole new meaning.

It takes it to a whole new (read: deeper) level.

[dangus]

No, I meant Martin Luther removed seven NEW TESTAMENT books (1-2-3 John, James, 1-2 Peter, Revelations) from his canon, but these NEW Testament “deuterocanonicals” were added back in.

[dangus]

Mary needed a Savior, not a Restorer. Most of what Evangelical Christians mean by “savior” (one who prevents destruction) is actually alternately worded “restorer” (one who makes new again after partial destruction). Of course, the words are far from mutually exclusive: restoration is one way in which Christ saves us. But not all that has needed saving has necessarily needed restoring.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Those of faith were, examples of which are found in chapter 11 of the NT book of Hebrews, beginning with Abel's blood sacrifice looking forward by faith to Christ's sacrifice, to Abraham's offering up his only begotten son looking forward by faith to Christ, followed by Moses and the temple blood sacrificial system.

And when the object of their faith came, the Messiah (Christ), the faithful Jews realized this is the one to whom their blood sacrificial system pointed, and accepted him. THESE are "the people of the book, no one else is."

Those who reject him and hate him, are no longer the people of the book, for the entire "book" points to faith in Christ. His blood offered, not just for Jews but the entire world.

It never ceases to amaze me how you chrstians don't seem to notice that the only reason you say and believe this is that you already accept the authenticity and authority of the "new testament" from the start (a priori).

Here's a hint: quoting the "new testament" to prove chrstianity is no different than quoting the qur'an to prove islam or quoting the book of mormon to prove mormonism.

BTW, the article at the head of this thread was another attack on Fundamentalist Protestants from their so-called "co-religionists." I was defending both the Bible and Fundamentalism, but never mind that.

[dangus]

LOL! The leader you are referring to is not a Roman Catholic, but a “Greek Catholic,” as the Orthodox commonly refer to themselves. Go ahead and lecture the Greek about his Church’s ignorance of Greek.

I wouldn’t’ve said, “Christianity is not submission to God,” but what the author meant is that the Christian’s relationship to God is entirely different to the mere abject submissiveness of the Muslim.

[x]

Here's a hint: quoting the "new testament" to prove chrstianity is no different than quoting the qur'an to prove islam or quoting the book of mormon to prove Mormonism.

... or quoting the Hebrew Bible to prove Judaism or some Noachide notion ...