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To: boatbums

No, I meant Martin Luther removed seven NEW TESTAMENT books (1-2-3 John, James, 1-2 Peter, Revelations) from his canon, but these NEW Testament “deuterocanonicals” were added back in.


36 posted on 10/02/2014 2:53:21 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
No, I meant Martin Luther removed seven NEW TESTAMENT books (1-2-3 John, James, 1-2 Peter, Revelations) from his canon, but these NEW Testament “deuterocanonicals” were added back in.

Not sure where you are getting this information. I'm guessing again that you didn't read the links I provided? Luther didn't "remove" ANY books from his German translation of the Bible - not even the Apocryphal books. He did, however, question FOUR (not seven) New Testament books, though he did not remove them. From Luther and the Canon:

    Certain books that did not express this were critically questioned by Luther: particularly James, Jude, Hebrews, and Revelation.[18] The editors of Luther’s Works explain,

      “In terms of order, Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation come last in Luther’s New Testament because of his negative estimate of their apostolicity. In a catalogue of “The Books of the New Testament” which followed immediately upon his Preface to the New Testament… Luther regularly listed these four—without numbers—at the bottom of a list in which he named the other twenty-three books, in the order in which they still appear in English Bibles, and numbered them consecutively from 1–23… a procedure identical to that with which he also listed the books of the Apocrypha.”[19]

    Sometimes it is said that in the actual printings of Luther’s New Testament these four books were printed last without page numbers. The citation above says it was a “list” without page numbers.[20] Also of importance to note is Luther did not treat the four questionable New Testament books in the exact same way as he did the Old Testament apocrypha. Luther critic Hartmann Grisar has explained, “…[Luther] simply excluded the so-called deutero-canonical books of the Old Testament from the list of sacred writings. In his edition they are grouped together at the end of the Old Testament under the title: ‘Apocrypha, i.e., books not to be regarded as equal to Holy Writ, but which are useful and good to read.’ …Luther’s New Testament is somewhat more conservative.”[21] Grisar dubs Luther “conservative” because Luther did not include such a heading before the New Testament books he questioned. Luther’s opinion on the apocrypha was solidified, whereas with the New Testament Luther uses caution.

    Luther also found different levels of Christocentric clarity within the Old Testament. He observed that Genesis, Psalms, and Jonah spoke more to the apostolic standard, while the book of Esther did not.[22] The editors of Luther’s Works further explain the judgments contained in the prefaces:

      "Luther’s prefaces… brought something new by means of which he revealed his understanding of the Scriptures, namely a set of value judgments and a ranking of the books into categories. For him the Gospel of John and the epistles of Paul as well as I Peter, rank as “the true kernel and marrow of all the books.” As books of secondary rank come Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation. While Luther’s assigning of a standard of values to the New Testament books may have been simply an act of religious devotion, it proved to be also, as Holl readily points out, a pioneering step toward modern biblical scholarship. Luther’s prefaces are thus more than simply popular introductions for lay readers. They reveal a theological position of Christocentricity which inevitably affects his understanding of the New Testament canon.”[23]

    Luther cannot be criticized for explicitly removing books from the canon of sacred Scripture. One can though disapprove of Luther’s critical questioning of particular New Testament books. Paul Althaus explains, “Luther did not intend to require anyone to accept his judgment, he only wanted to express his own feeling about these particular books.”[24] Althaus finds this to be apparent in Luther’s original prefaces of 1522, but even more so in his revisions of 1530. Lutheran writer Mark Bartling concurs: “Luther’s whole approach was one of only questioning, never rejecting. James, Jude, Hebrews, and Revelation are only questioned, they are never rejected.”[25] Roland Bainton notes,

      “Luther treated Scripture with royal freedom, but not at a whim. There was a clear determinative principle that the word of God is the message of redemption through Christ Jesus our Lord without any merit on our part, and that we are saved solely through heartfelt acceptance in faith. Yet despite the recognition of levels within Scripture, Luther did not treat the book as a whole and shrank from demolishing the canon by excluding James and Esther. The pope, the councils and the Canon Law might go, but to tamper with the traditional selection of the holy writings was one step too much.”[26]

41 posted on 10/02/2014 3:13:06 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: dangus; boatbums
No, I meant Martin Luther removed seven NEW TESTAMENT books (1-2-3 John, James, 1-2 Peter, Revelations) from his canon, but these NEW Testament “deuterocanonicals” were added back in.

Can you provide us with a link showing us when and where that happened?

What about a link showing us the copy of the Bible that he put out that was missing those books?

53 posted on 10/02/2014 3:49:40 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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