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To: editor-surveyor; CynicalBear

This is not about Ascension but Assumption. Just goes to show when street theologians try their hand on scriptural interpretation.

This belief was ancient, dating back to the apostles themselves. What was clear from the beginning was that there were no relics of Mary to be venerated, and that an empty tomb stood on the edge of Jerusalem near the site of her death. That location also soon became a place of pilgrimage. (Today, the Benedictine Abbey of the Dormition of Mary stands on the spot.)

We know that after the Crucifixion Mary was cared for by the apostle John (John 19:26-27). Early Christian writings say John went to live at Ephesus and that Mary accompanied him. There is some dispute about where she ended her life; perhaps there, perhaps back at Jerusalem. Neither those cities nor any other claimed her remains, though there are claims about possessing her (temporary) tomb. And why did no city claim the bones of Mary? Apparently because there weren’t any bones to claim and people knew it.

Remember, in the early Christian centuries relics of saints were jealously guarded, highly prized. The bones of those martyred in the Colosseum, for instance, were quickly gathered up and preserved; there are many accounts of this in the biographies of those who gave their lives for the faith. Yet here was Mary, certainly the most privileged of all the saints, certainly the most saintly, but we have no record of her bodily remains being venerated anywhere.

At the Council of Chalcedon in 451, when bishops from throughout the Mediterranean world gathered in Constantinople, Emperor Marcian asked the Patriarch of Jerusalem to bring the relics of Mary to Constantinople to be enshrined in the capitol. The patriarch explained to the emperor that there were no relics of Mary in Jerusalem, that “Mary had died in the presence of the apostles; but her tomb, when opened later . . . was found empty and so the apostles concluded that the body was taken up into heaven.”

In the eighth century, St. John Damascene was known for giving sermons at the holy places in Jerusalem. At the Tomb of Mary, he expressed the belief of the Church on the meaning of the feast: “Although the body was duly buried, it did not remain in the state of death, neither was it dissolved by decay. . . . You were transferred to your heavenly home, O Lady, Queen and Mother of God in truth.”


761 posted on 09/28/2014 10:57:25 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish
You wrote.......”O Lady, Queen and Mother of God in truth.”......

But Jesus said I AM the way the TRUTH and the life...no one can come to the father but by me


771 posted on 09/29/2014 12:07:50 AM PDT by caww
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To: Steelfish
>>This belief was ancient, dating back to the apostles themselves.<<

This entire thread I have been asking Catholics to show infallible evidence that the apostles taught the assumption of Mary. Not one time has anyone done that. Then you come and make a statement like that and expect people to blindly accept it? By the admition of the Catholic Church a dogma required to be believed to attain salvation is based on conjecture and supposition. You give this nice "feel good" story that has no base in fact. They call that fiction. I for one will not trust my eternal future to fiction.

818 posted on 09/29/2014 5:33:57 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Steelfish
At the Tomb of Mary, he expressed the belief of the Church on the meaning of the feast: “Although the body was duly buried, it did not remain in the state of death, neither was it dissolved by decay. . . . You were transferred to your heavenly home, O Lady, Queen and Mother of God in truth.”


HMMMmmm...

843 posted on 09/29/2014 8:07:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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