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To: Elsie
"BTW; if the question is so simple; why did you ask it?"

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Whenever I ask you a question, it is to get your answer.    (That's why most questions are asked, Elsie.)

When I asked that question, however, I have to admit I was not expecting a straightforward answer from you, and I was right -- you didn't answer it at all.

(For the benefit of any possible lurkers here, I asked Elsie a simple question in post #682, and he just totally dodged it.    You'll have to ask him why he dodged it, though I'm sure I know why.    Here again (below) is that simple question I asked him in post #682.)

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First of all, do you have faith enough in God's power to believe that if God willed that Mary be able to hear all those prayers, God has enough power to enable her to hear them?

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And here was Elsie's peculiar response in post #693:

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Do you have enough brains to understand I do not go chasing these Catholic rabbits down the holes you keep trying to dig?

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Well Elsie, I can't answer for you as to whether or not you have enough faith in God to agree that God has the power to make this happen if He wants to, but I will tell you that God most certainly DOES have sufficient power to enable Mary to hear all the requests for her intercession addressed to her, whether you believe God has that power or not.

(You don't have to dodge that question ever again Elsie.)

And lurkers, here are the links I provided to Elsie in that post to help him with that question:

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"Praying to Mary - A Biblical Defense"

Catholic Answers youtube - "http://www.youtube.com/catholiccom"

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We know that God wants us to pray for one another, as the Bible is loaded with such exhortations (some quick examples: Ephesians 6:18, Colossians 1:9, 1 Timothy 2:1, James 5:16).    Why do some people think (contrary to scripture) that God no longer wants saints to pray for others once they are in heaven

We also know that God likes to delegate tasks to His created beings, including humble human beings.

For example, God could have infused everything we need to know directly into our heart, mind, and soul, or used some other direct method to impart that knowledge directly to us, but He instead chose mere human beings to lead His Church, write every single word in every single book in the Bible, and perform other tasks He has delegated to them.

Because of their own limited thinking abilities, or lack of faith, some people do not believe that God can enable the saints in heaven to hear all the intercessory prayer requests addressed to them.    These people cannot understand how or why God can enable that process to happen, so they just don't believe it is possible.    Some of them, in their haughty pride, and belligerent ignorance, and unbelievable arrogance, lift their noses high into the air and declare that if they can't understand how or why God could enable something, it just cannot be done.    They do not have enough faith to accept those truths without being able to understand them, and the simple reason they cannot understand "how" or "why" God would enable such a process is plainly given in the written Word of God:

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For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says the Lord.    For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.     Isaiah 55:8-9

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It would behoove all doubters of God's power to seriously rethink their silly skepticism, for their own sakes.

Now, (again for any lurkers), to return to the original theme of this thread, I urge you to go to these links below for enlightenment about the "Assumption of Mary" (and other closely related matters) for yourselves, and ignore all the silly skeptics.

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"Scott Hahn on the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary"

"IMMACULATE CONCEPTION AND ASSUMPTION" - Karl Keating

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1,001 posted on 09/29/2014 6:28:45 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Heart-Rest

All that and not one example of apostles or Jesus teaching to pray to anyone who has passed from this life.


1,007 posted on 09/29/2014 6:46:05 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Heart-Rest; Elsie

<<<<...do you have faith enough in God’s power to believe that if God willed that Mary be able to hear all those prayers, God has enough power to enable her to hear them?”...>>>>


That was clearly a loaded question ......kinda of like asking ...did you love your mother?....so Elsie’s response as follows was right on, and ignoring it was also correct...:

Elsie’s response....”Do you have enough brains to understand I do not go chasing these Catholic rabbits down the holes you keep trying to dig?”

(Way to go Elsie!)


1,022 posted on 09/29/2014 7:01:43 PM PDT by caww
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To: Heart-Rest

....”I will tell you that God DOES have sufficient power to enable Mary to hear all the requests for her intercession addressed to her, whether you believe God has that power or not.”.....

Nobody limit’s God’s power to do what HE wills....but that’s really not the question you appear to want an answer for.

If or not mary mediates between God and man seems more like the focus.....which has been debated here for some time now.

It really doesn’t matter if she could or not hear millions or even one.......because in the Roman Catholic Church, and the people in the Roman Catholic system, you do HAVE TO believe about Mary,period. So it’s only significant to you.

Whereas we who do not have to worship Mary have no concerns at all, for we know she’s dead and her soul is with God....

Romans first chapter tells us that when people suppress the truth of God and or reject that which can be known of God that is in them, they will in the place of God create their own idol in the form of man, as well as beasts and other animals...... It’s quite unusual in our society though for people to worship a dead person. Nevertheless, the catholic church still holds to it’s med-evil ways.


1,044 posted on 09/29/2014 7:28:23 PM PDT by caww
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To: Heart-Rest
You'll have to ask him why he dodged it, though I'm sure I know why.

Mindreading again?

1,061 posted on 09/29/2014 7:50:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Heart-Rest
(You don't have to dodge that question ever again Elsie.)

See there; you CAN post stuff without having to play off of my words.

Good for you!

Mary is dead.


1,062 posted on 09/29/2014 7:51:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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