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To: vladimir998
Accuracy and facts matter more than self-styling fads. A Protestant is a Protestant even if he doesn’t like to use the word.

Just more evidence of bigotry. Do you deny that Christians existed and exist outside of the Roman Catholic church who do not identify as "Protestants"?

False. I am a member of the Roman Church within the Catholic Church. I am not a “Roman Catholic”. That is essentially a term used by Protestants since after they started their sects in the 16th century.

That is false. The term "Roman Catholic" was in use centuries before the Reformation, was used by Popes and continues to be used BY the Roman Catholic church to this day. A little history:

    The term Roman Catholic appeared in the English language at the beginning of the 17th century, to differentiate specific groups of Christians in communion with the Pope from others; comparable terms in other languages already existed. It has continued to be widely used in the English language ever since, although its usage has changed over the centuries.[1]

    The church widely known as the Catholic Church consists of 23 autonomous churches (all of which are subject to the Pope)— one "Western" and 22 "Eastern" — governed by two sets of Codes of Canon Law.[2] To refer to all 23 autonomous Churches together, official Church documents often use the term "Catholic Church" or, less frequently, the term "Roman Catholic Church". The usage that makes the term "Roman Catholic" mean members of the Latin Rite or Western Church to the exclusion of those who belong to the Eastern Catholic Churches does not appear in any recent document of the Holy See, and popes have used the term "Roman Catholic Church" on various occasions throughout the 20th century to mean instead the whole Church without exclusion of any part.[3]

    In popular usage, "Catholic Church" is usually understood to mean the same as "Roman Catholic Church". In compound forms such as "Roman Catholic worship" the term is sometimes used to differentiate Western (Latin Church) practices from Eastern. However, in itself the word "catholic" translates into English as "universal" or "pertaining to the whole", as opposed to "particular" or "related to a part". Being "catholic" is one of the Four Marks of the Church set out in the Nicene Creed, a statement of belief accepted by many churches, even if not in communion with the Pope.

    The word "church" represents the Greek word ecclesia, originally meaning "meeting, assembly", the usual Septuagint translation of Hebrew qahal, "congregation [of Israel]", as in Deuteronomy 31:30 and elsewhere.[4] The word "Catholic", meaning "universal", was first applied the Church by St. Ignatius of Antioch in his letter to the Smyrnaeans in 110. It was repeatedly used to describe the "universal" congregation of the believers of the pure Word of Christ in theological works such as St. Augustine of Hippo in his books Confessions in 394 and City of God in 410. After the 5th-century splits that followed the First Council of Ephesus and the Council of Chalcedon, the Church split again in the 11th century, with the Western Church loyal to the Pope and the Eastern Orthodox Church loyal to the Patriarch of Constantinople. St. Thomas Aquinas repeatedly used the word "Catholic" to describe the Church loyal to the Pope, the bishop of Rome, as opposed to those loyal to the bishop of Constantinople, called the Ecumenical Patriarch.

    The use of the adjective "Roman" to describe the Church as governed especially by the Bishop of Rome (the Pope) became more widespread after the fall of the western Roman Empire and into the early Middle Ages. For example, the mid-eighth-century document known as the "Donation of Constantine" repeatedly declares that its grant of imperial prerogatives and patriarchal primacy is made to "the most holy Roman Church". This document became a crucial theoretical statement in the Middle Ages "to defend the universality and supremacy of Roman jurisdiction over lay rulers and their subjects in Western Christendom."[5]

    16th and 17th centuries

    The terms "Romish Catholic" and "Roman Catholic", along with "Popish Catholic", were brought into use in the English language chiefly by adherents of the Church of England, which saw itself as the Catholic Church in England, so that they were not willing to concede the term Catholic to their opponents without qualification.[6]

    The reign of Elizabeth I of England at the end of the 16th century was marked by conflicts in Ireland. Those opposed to English rule forged alliances with those against the Protestant reformation, making the term Roman Catholic almost synonymous with being Irish during that period, although that usage changed significantly over time.[7]

    Like the term Anglican, the term Roman Catholic came into widespread use in the English language only in the 17th century.[8] The terms "Romish Catholic" and "Roman Catholic" were both in use in the 17th century and "Roman Catholic" was used in some official documents, such as those relating to the Spanish Match in the 1620s. There was, however, significant tension between Anglicans and Roman Catholics at the time (as reflected in the Test Act for public office). Even today, the Act of Settlement 1701 still prohibits Roman Catholics from becoming English monarchs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_(term)

Should I post a list of self-named Roman Catholic churches in America for you?

712 posted on 09/21/2014 5:00:08 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
A little history:

Good try.

Funny. If indeed the term *Roman Catholicism* is a Protestant invention (which I don't believe it is) then why do Roman Catholic churches self-identify as *Roman Catholic*?

I doubt anyone is holding a gun to the heads of those Catholics who label their churches as such.

And they do in areas where other Catholic rites exist to differentiate between them and he other rites.

Buffalo is a good example with Roman Catholic churches IDing as *Roman Catholic* to distinguish them from *Ukrainian Catholic*.

714 posted on 09/21/2014 6:39:04 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: boatbums

“That is false. The term “Roman Catholic” was in use centuries before the Reformation, was used by Popes and continues to be used BY the Roman Catholic church to this day. A little history:”

Name for me the pope who spoke the words “Roman Catholic” IN ENGLISH before the Reformation. Oh, wait, you can’t BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED.


745 posted on 09/22/2014 1:24:26 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: boatbums

You posted from wikipedia the following:

“The term Roman Catholic appeared in the English language...”

Oh, ENGLISH. Imagine that.

“at the beginning of the 17th century, to differentiate specific groups of Christians in communion with the Pope from others; comparable terms in other languages already existed. It has continued to be widely used in the English language ever since, although its usage has changed over the centuries.[1]”

“USED WIDELY IN ENGLISH”

“The terms “Romish Catholic” and “Roman Catholic”, along with “Popish Catholic”, were brought into use in the English language...”

ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

“Like the term Anglican, the term Roman Catholic came into widespread use in the English language only in the 17th century.[8]...”

ENGLISH LANGUAGE.


760 posted on 09/22/2014 6:09:55 PM PDT by vladimir998
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