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To: boatbums

Good point.

If the best you can do to win converts is make the other person look worse than yourself, then you have nothing to stand on.

If Catholicism were all that Catholics make it out to be, it would stand on its own merit and there would never need to be even a mention of Luther, Calvin, whoever. Catholicism would win on its own.

And it doesn’t.


675 posted on 09/21/2014 10:06:22 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

“And it doesn’t.”

Actually it does. I’ve seen it happen again and again. It doesn’t happen when there are anti-Catholics muddying the waters with lies, distortions, misrepresentation, false evidence, throwing in the kitchen sink, etc.

Last year I met a young man whose father was Lutheran and his mother Catholic (at least in her background). I don’t believe the mother was a practicing Catholic. The young man was raised a Lutheran. Growing up he never gave a second thought to the Catholic faith. When he started investigating the Catholic faith he did it on his own. His family wasn’t thrilled with it but they were not strongly anti-Catholic. His wife was a committed Baptist. He’s Catholic now and she’s considering becoming Catholic. She attended a Catholic Bible study class and was blown away because she learned things she never knew. When people are open minded they respond to the Catholic faith.


680 posted on 09/21/2014 10:25:51 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: metmom
"If Catholicism were all that Catholics make it out to be, it would stand on its own merit and there would never need to be even a mention of Luther, Calvin, whoever. Catholicism would win on its own. And it doesn’t."

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Not true at all, metmom.    A person has to be open to the truth in order for them to accept the truth.

Believe it or not, even many of the disciples of Jesus Christ Himself turned away from Him, and they foolishly rejected the truth He proclaimed directly to them.

If they even turned away from Jesus Christ Himself, and foolishly rejected His truthful holy teachings, it can unfortunately be expected that many foolish people today will also turn away from and reject those same truths being taught by far lesser teachers than Jesus Christ from within His Church, and those people who reject those same truthful teachings will be making the saddest and the most pitiful and very worst decision they will ever make in their entire lifetimes.

Recall these fateful words from the Bible, especially the question that Jesus asked the apostles (and still asks each one of us today).

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Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, "This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?"
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After this, many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him.   Jesus said to the twelve,
"Will you also go away?"   John 6:60, 66-67
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Does the fact that many foolish people turned away and rejected what Jesus taught, somehow make what He taught untrue?
699 posted on 09/21/2014 12:58:30 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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