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To: Boogieman
>>Certainly, yet that verse in no way contradicts the verses that tell us that unbelievers do not have the Holy Spirit.<<

Nobody said they did. The Holy Spirit does speak to unbelievers however. If not no unbeliever would ever become a believer. Also whether they acknowledge it or not they draw a breath by the grace of God.

292 posted on 09/18/2014 5:53:16 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decideIf I need to locate a verse, do I ask thed to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

“Nobody said they did.”

You posted it in response to my argument which relied on that very assertion. If you weren’t arguing against my argument, then what was the point of posting it?

“Also whether they acknowledge it or not they draw a breath by the grace of God.”

Yes, but we will get nowhere fast if we simply confuse verses about God the Father with the Holy Spirit in order to support an argument. God the Father is who causes rain to fall on believers and unbelievers. It is by the grace of God the Father that both believers and unbelievers draw breath. Assertions about God the Father, even valid ones based on Scripture, are not much help when we are talking about our relationship with the Holy Spirit, and if fact may muddy the waters and prevent a proper understanding, if they are misused.


301 posted on 09/18/2014 6:48:23 PM PDT by Boogieman
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