Posted on 09/13/2014 11:35:30 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jonez
One of the differences between Christians is that some believe in tradition -- Catholics and Orthodox -- and others -- the Protestants -- do away with tradition and believe in scripture, or Sola Scriptura.
For the Catholics tradition is an important tool for understanding and they point to the fact that both Jesus -- who didn't leave written word -- and Apostles taught by tradition.
So my question is, "Why were the Protestants so keen on removing tradition and relying so heavily on scripture, on Sola Scriptura?" Neither Paul nor Jesus ever said "You will only believe only what is written in the Gospels or my letters." But they did say you will believe in what is transmitted and taught to you.
The Bible seems to contradict the rule it is supposed to represent: it is impossible to represent a scriptural principle that is not seen within the Bible.
Maybe there are some Freeper scholars that can explain this issue. I welcome all input.
Well the Muslims and Morman's will be relieved.
Catechism 971 - "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship." The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs ....
"Hail Mary ...". Mary was a human, is now dead. Same with the Apostles. They are dead, praying to them is praying to the dead.
Exclusion of the Apocrypha works was long before Luther and includes St Jerome and Bishop Athanasius of Alexandria. Even Jewish historian Josephus excluded Macabees from the Hebrew Cannon.
Matthew 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Would you please show proof that the "traditions" that the Catholic Church teaches are what was taught by the apostles. They did say that if they didn't teach something it was to be considered "another gospel". You could start with the apostles teaching the assumption of Mary.
Duh, we are not idiot, However they were accurate eye witness accounts to Christ’s life.
I’m not going to read your Catholic blog, if you can’t tell me your point plainly and clearly here, then it’s really not worth the effort.
Whatever you believe, that guy isn't going to help you draw people in.
And still they claim it's the real blood of Christ they drink.
ALL believers are called saints in scripture.
The Holy Spirit inspired the writers to record just what was necessary - nothing more, nothing less. There is a divine order, and a divine purpose everywhere you look. It is Alive and Truth. It is a revelation of Jesus Christ, and God’s plan for man which is summed up in Jesus. He is the beginning and the end. Had the Father required His kids to perform ceremonies or “works” to earn His love, it would have been recorded for Believers living during this Age of Grace. But there is only silence. Jesus did all the work so no man can boast. God does not want slaves or servants. He wants children who worship, not out of fear or compulsion, but by faith and love. That can only come from someone who is truly free. Religion is bondage. Even the primitive meaning of the word was restraint, or supernatural constraint. Its The Truth that makes you free.
After decades of study, I appreciate God’s Word so much more, and still get surprised by new things the Holy Spirit reveals. I will never understand the attitude of the religious who dismiss it as just a book, or believe it is somehow insufficient, or unnecessary. God has given Believers a profound gift that allows Believers to know the will of God, build their faith, and develop the mind of Christ. Its a shame people don’t treat it as such.
Jesus himself declared “I have given them Thy Word”, and the world hates them. Note, it wasn’t a hymnbook, liturgy, commentary, rituals, relics, ceremonies, traditions, or any other creation of man. He gave us God’s Living Word!
You CANNOT separate Jesus from His Word.
- His name is called Word of God (Rev 19:13) — They pressed on him to hear the Word of God (Luke 5:1)
- Jesus said...”No man cometh to the Father, but by me” (John 14:6) — Make me go in the path of Thy Commandments (Psalm 119:35)
- Jesus said, I am the Way... (John 14:6) — Teach me O Lord the Way of Thy Statutes (Psalm 119:33)
- I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6) — Thy Word is Truth (John 17:17)
- Christ full of Grace and Truth (John 1:14) — All Thy Commandments are Truth (Psalm 119:151)
- A bone of him shall not be broken (John 19:36) — The scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35)
- The life was the light (John 1:4) — The Law is Light (Proverbs 6:23)
- I am the Living Bread...if any man eat of this Bread he shall live forever (John 6:51) — Man shall not live on bread alone, but by every Word of God (Luke 4:4)
- Thou art my Lamp O Lord (2 Samuel 22:29) — Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet (Psalm 119:105)
- To you which believe He is precious (1 Peter 2:7) — Exceeding great and precious promises (2 Peter 1:4)
- His name shall be Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) — Thy Testimonies are Wonderful (Psalm 119:129)
- Ye have known him from the beginning (1 John 2:13) — Thy Word is true from the beginning (Psalm 119:160)
- The Lord shall endure forever (Psalm 9:7) — The Word of the Lord shall endure forever (1 Peter 1:25)
- Christ abideth forever (John 12:34) — The Word of God... abideth forever (1 Peter 1:23)
- Worship Him who liveth forever (Revelation 4:10) — The Word of God liveth forever (1 Peter 1:23)
- Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith (Ephesians 3:17) — Let the Word of Christ dwell in you richly (Colossians 3:16)
- Hereby we know He abideth in us (1 John 3:24) — The Word of God abideth in you (1 John 2:14)
- Christ said, “Abide in me, and I in you.” (John 15:4) — If...my Words abide in you (John 15:7)
- Out of his mouth goes a sharp sword (Revelation 19:15) — The Word of God...sharper than a two-edged sword (Hebrews 4:12)
- We are born of God (1 John 5:18) — Born...by Word of God (1 Peter 1:23)
- The Son quickeneth whom he will (John 5:21) — The Word hath quickened me (Psalm 119:50)
- He that eateth me, even he shall Live by me (John 6:57) — Desire the sincere milk of the Word that you may grow thereby (1 Peter 2:2)
- Christ has made us free (Galatians 5:1) — The Truth will make you free (John 8:32)
- Sanctified through the offering of the Body of Jesus Christ ONCE For All (Hebrews 10:10) — Sanctify them through Thy Truth, Thy Word is Truth (John 17:17)
- Christ healed them (Matthew 4:24) — He sent His Word and healed them (Psalm 107:20)
- The blood of Jesus Christ...cleanseth us from all sin (1 John 1:7) — Ye are clean through the Word which I have spoken (John 15:3)
- Christ a stumbling stone (Romans 9:30-33) — They stumble at the Word (1 Peter 2:8)
Religion continues to stumble at the Word, putting more faith in man-made traditions, and the rudiments and elements of the world condemned in Colossians and Galatians, which can be collectively called ceremonialism.
Verses declaring the importance of God’s Word and its many benefits are numerous, but here are a few for those living in this age. Let the revelation of each one of these verses get established in your spirit.
2 Timothy 3:15-17 (KJV)
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
>>>Probably the most profound New Testament statement on the benefit of God’s Word.
Hebrews 4:11-12 (KJV)
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
>>>Faith= rest, unbelief = missing out on God’s best.
John 6:63 (KJV)
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
>>>The Bible is much more than ink on paper.
Joshua 1:8 (KJV)
8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
>>>God’s success formula has never changed. Meditate on His Word.
1 Peter 1:23-25 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
>>>The Word endures forever. The works, or “glory of man”, not so much.
Romans 10:17 (KJV)
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
>>> Such a simple, but powerful truth.
Psalm 119:130 (KJV)
130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.
>>>See, there is even hope for the simple!
IB4TZ
Answer, for the Jews tradition is an important tool for understanding and they point to this as denying Christ was the Messiah, but who substantiated His claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power. As did the early church.
Under Rome, the problem is that of the church magisterium being the supreme authority, so that Scripture history and tradition only consists of what Rome decrees they are and only authoritatively mean what she says they mean, and thus she is effectively the supreme authority .
And under Roman reasoning, God is the source of both Scripture and RC teaching, the latter defining the former, and thus it is simply impossible for there to be any conflict.
Catholic doctrine, as authoritatively proposed by the Church, should be held as the supreme law; for, seeing that the same God is the author both of the Sacred Books and of the doctrine committed to the Church... it follows that all interpretation is foolish and false which either makes the sacred writers disagree one with another, or is opposed to the doctrine of the Church. - (Providentissimus Deus; http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18111893_providentissimus-deus_en.html)
But which she is the autocratic judge of. And thus manifestly extrascriptural and unscriptural tradition was made equal with Scripture, based upon the premise of the assured veracity of the church.
And thus as Keating asserts,
And thus as Keating asserts, The mere fact that the Church teaches the doctrine of the Assumption as definitely true is a guarantee that it is true. ” — Karl Keating, Catholicism and Fundamentalism (San Francisco: Ignatius, 1988), p. 275.[http://www.catholic.com/tracts/immaculate-conception-and-assumption]
So my question is, "Why were the Protestants so keen on removing tradition and relying so heavily on scripture, on Sola Scriptura?"
The fact is the SS itself sanctions tradition, that being Scripturally warranted practices such as the order of services, but all are subject to Scripture as the sola supreme authority as literally being the plenary inspired assured Word of God. Which Rome cannot and does not even claim for her papal pronouncements.
Neither Paul nor Jesus ever said "You will only believe only what is written in the Gospels or my letters." But they did say you will believe in what is transmitted and taught to you.
Nor does a SS preacher say "You will only believe only what is written in the Gospels or my letters" as there is far more than the NT to believe, while such a preacher may preach to souls that have no recourse to reading or checking all that he says.
But what he must preach is that only what is proven by Scripture is to be believed.
The Bible seems to contradict the rule it is supposed to represent: it is impossible to represent a scriptural principle that is not seen within the Bible.
But that is the fallacy, for the fact is that it is abundantly evidenced that Scripture was the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and assured, Word of God.
And which testifies (Lk. 24:27,44, etc.) to writings of God being recognized and established as being so (essentially due to their unique and enduring heavenly qualities and attestation), and thus they materially provide for a canon of Scripture (as well as for reason, the church, etc.)
Maybe there are some Freeper scholars that can explain this issue. I welcome all input.
And to disabuse you of the usual SS straw men it seems RCs must employ (the Bible is all we can use; the Bible contains all that is to be known; only what is explicitly stated in Scripture can be believed, etc.)
And to reveal to you how foundationally Scripturally aberrant your church is.
For the same reason that they often ignore the full implications of the New Covenant - they want to be right in some of the wrongest ways.
I got tired of religion and all the ways that men have decided to "interpret" the Bible and opted for non-denominational with heavy Bible and absolute Jesus as the themes of most services.
A quick question that I must ask the Roman Catholics here:
What tradition that is needed for salvation is taught by tradition alone?
If all that is needed for salvation is taught by scripture AND tradition then your argument is moot.
If there are things taught by tradition that are needed for salvation that are NOT taught in scripture what are they??
The fact that the Catholic church has been infiltrated by more than a few agents of Satan does not make the Catholic church a creation of Satan.
Yes, i posted a link. I did so because it’s more than i can say in a single post on FR. It discusses what is meant by “It is finished.”
It’s a very interesting article ... i hope you take the time to read it.
Not going to do it, please explain your point.
On a bumper sticker ... “It is finished” is Jesus’ proclamation of the completion of the final passover. Scott Hahn explains it in detail ... it really is a worthwhile read. Even all my non Catholic friends I’ve shared this with enjoy it. It’s a solid, fact-based write up.
Give it a chance.
Under the conditions I related, absolutely. See Hesiod(a Pagan author, circa 7-800 BC who first stated the reasons, i.e. the sacred meal)
Straying from Scripture leads to the teachings of L Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith and David Koresh.
Keep your rituals and traditions. Jesus is sufficient.
Here we go with the silly pictures again. I’ll focus on God’s word; you can keep your silly pictures and man-made traditions.
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