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To: metmom
The righteous requirements of the Law were fulfilled in Christ, and then are imputed to us when we accept Christ and have HIS righteousness credited to our account, and we are IN CHRIST. THEN God looks as us and sees only the righteousness of Christ, who fulfilled the law perfectly, and not out own righteousness, which is as a filthy rag in His sight.

That is not what He said. I see this common instinct to justify oneself by reinterpreting what He said to fit one's personal religious practice, preferences, doctrines, etc. rather than simply believing what He said like a little child and obeying.

255 posted on 09/16/2014 7:28:52 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981; metmom
It is not trivial that Jesus provided a sunset clause on the requirements of the Mosaic law. He is the one who said those provisions would last...

“till all be fulfilled”

And he is the one who here describes them as being fulfilled by His ministry of atonement and resurrection:

Luk 24:44-49 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. (45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, (46) And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: (47) And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (48) And ye are witnesses of these things. (49) And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

And it is not trivial that He specifically disobligates the post-resurrection church, undoubtedly now living in the New Covenant era, from the full requirements of the Old Covenant, both through the vision to Peter and through the apostolic decision of the Jerusalem Council and through countless other places in the epistles.

So it is wrong to disbelieve His teachings at any point, whether early in His ministry, or His later teaching and the teaching of His chosen apostles. But they cannot be in logical contradiction. Being simultaneously obligated both to the full Old Covenant law in Mathew 5 and NOT obligated to the same exact thing in Acts 15 is an absurdity. This kind of apparent conflict demands that we rightly divide the word of truth, i.e., do a good, rigorous job of seeing both teachings in a right relationship to each other.  Both are true, but not both at the same time in the same way. That's an impossibility in logic. But when we see Matthew 5 as looking forward to the fulfilment in Christ, and Acts 15 as looking backward to that same fulfillment, it makes perfect sense, and edifies the body of Christ as well, which absurdities can never do.

Remember what Jesus said about the new wine in old bottles? He not only said it was necessary to make that change, because the old bottles could not contain the new wine. But He also says in Luke 5:39 that some would still prefer the old wine. He knew it would be hard for some to walk away from the familiarity of the Old Covenant pattern, that they would be uncomfortable with the principles of the New Covenant. But going from predicted to fulfilled was essential for our redemption, and in the end it will prove to be a sweeter and better wine than the old could ever be.

Peace,

SR

258 posted on 09/16/2014 10:30:04 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: af_vet_1981
Nut that IS simply believing what He said.

The Holy Spirit inspired Scripture says this:

2 Corinthians 5:17-21 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Romans 4:1-8 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”

Romans 4:20-25 No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised. That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.” But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone, but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

The only righteousness that can get us into heaven is perfection and we can't do that. Not to mention that our righteous deeds are as filthy rags in God's sight because they are tainted with sin, so they CAN'T count.

The only way to be considered righteous enough for heaven is to be forgiven and have the righteousness given to us, credited to our account.

Colossians 3:1-4 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

When God sees us, He sees us hidden in Christ, through a filter, so to speak, that He sees us as righteous as Christ.

259 posted on 09/17/2014 5:21:47 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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