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I’m jumping on the bandwagon. JPX2011,Please retract this gross erroneous unfounded statement or be exiled from posting on Freep ever again!

No.

Although I'd be interested in hearing someone explain how YOPIOS and the fruits from that hasn't led to the destruction of our civilization. I suspect I'll be waiting a long time, however. Perhaps they could also explain how the future of protestantism and all of the defects it entails will be able to overcome the theological relativism it created which has become a mainstay of modern western religious thought. It's their mess, I'd like to see how they're going to clean it up with the atheists and the muslims at their throat. But how can they? With what authoritative voice will they speak? They're compromised.

But then who am I kidding? Protestants don't really care about any of this. For a protestant it's all about the, "personal relationship I have with Jesus Christ" and nothing will be allowed to come between them and Jesus. Not even civilizational concerns. Radical individualism is the order of the day. Or maybe its a certain level of fatalism that protestants share with the muslims. There is something to be said for that, and if that's the case then they should stop pretending they care about what happens here on Earth.

Either way, I see no reason to retract any of my statements. Protestants know where the true Church is and in their pride refuse to accept it. As a result, western civilization is lost. One person wants to condemn me to destruction and eternal damnation, another wants to exile me from FR. Like they say if you're taking flak you're over the target. Perhaps its time protestants did some inner reflection about their chosen profession of faith. It's not too late. Holy Roman Catholic Church awaits with her arms open. I'll entrust this to our Blessed Mother.

Although I'd be interested in hearing someone explain how YOPIOS and the fruits from that hasn't led to the destruction of our civilization.

The USA.

The Constitution.

The Bill of Rights

Show me the most highly Catholic countries in this world and I'll show you some of the most impoverished third world hell holes.

Show me Protestantism in Northern Europe and GB and I'll show you the Empire that the sun never set on.

I'll show you scientific advancement and the freest nations.

I'll show you the nations which defeated the Nazi's.

Or maybe its a certain level of fatalism that protestants share with the muslims.

So please tell us how having Muslim koran reading and prayers at the vatican made things better.

Go to a mirror point your finger and repeat your accusations. You’ll have the pleasure of condemning the guilty one.

I suspect I'll be waiting a long time, however. Perhaps they could also explain how the future of protestantism and all of the defects it entails will be able to overcome the theological relativism it created which has become a mainstay of modern western religious thought.

It's not Protestantism which is causing the problems but rather mainstream denominations which have ABANDONED Scripture and count it as fable and fairy tales, which have led to liberalism.

Those who hold to the integrity of Scripture lean conservative. They recognize the intrinsic value of people simply on the basis of the fact that man is created in the image and likeness of God and has intrinsic value in that alone and not in what they do, ie their performance.

For a protestant it's all about the, "personal relationship I have with Jesus Christ" and nothing will be allowed to come between them and Jesus.

It is.

Not even civilizational concerns. Radical individualism is the order of the day.

Yup, instead of herd mentality, they think for themselves.

Or maybe its a certain level of fatalism that protestants share with the muslims.

Pope kissing Koran

YOUR pope kissing the koran. Fits right in with YOUR Catechism of the Catholic church.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

I don't see Protestants smoozing it up with the muslims and kissing their koran.

For a protestant it's all about the, “personal relationship I have with Jesus Christ” and nothing will be allowed to come between them and Jesus.

Meanwhile Catholics need “seven degrees of separation” between themselves and Jesus.

You don't need intercessors. You are like the Israelites in the desert; they refused to go up the mountain and insisted Moses go on their behalf. Then they demanded he cover his face so they wouldn't see it glow from exposure to God's presence.

What stops you from going directly to Him? Why would you rather have a human goddess?

Protestants know where the true Church is and in their pride refuse to accept it.

Actually, the only place in Scripture that comes immediately to mind that states what congregation is the church, is the Corinthians church.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.

And of the churches listed in Revelation 2 & 3, the one at Rome is NOT mentioned.

You have your work cut out for you proving from Scripture what the *true* church (by that I presume you mean denomination) is.

Perhaps its time protestants did some inner reflection about their chosen profession of faith.

Hmmm, Let me see the options.

Jesus.

Catholicism

Mary.

I'll take number 1. I'll go with Jesus.

It's not too late. Holy Roman Catholic Church awaits with her arms open. I'll entrust this to our Blessed Mother.

That seals the deal. If Catholicism is about Mary and not Jesus, there is no reason to reconsider my chosen profession of faith.