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To: metmom

<< If Mary is the mother of God and the Father is God, then Mary is the mother of God the Father.>>

This premise is false. It stems from a misunderstanding of the Trinity, what is known as Sabellianism.

Jesus is the second person of the Trinity, therefore he is God. He is also the Son of Mary. Therefore Mary is not the mother of the Father, but of the Son. The Son of God pre-existed with the Father, yet from the beginning of time God in his plan of salvation included the birth of the Son of God through Mary.

Since God is outside of time this is no problem.

>>Do Catholics EVER think through what they have been spoon fed for their entire lives, cause it sure doesn’t look that way with the arguments they use.<<<

Do you have a degree in Theology? Have you studied the history of the Bible, the developments of doctrine in the Church?

To be the Mother of Jesus is to be the Mother of God, since it is impossible to separate one person from his nature. Jesus is both Divine and Man. He is not two persons. To say otherwise means that God “adopted” (see. Adoptionism) a human man, and merely used him as like a mask or a puppet.

This is not salvation of mankind, it does not assume the humanity of man into the divine nature. It therefore does not act as a sufficient vessel of expiation.


106 posted on 09/12/2014 1:49:52 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: Bayard

I have an MA in Theology. You seem to be accusing others of what you are prescribing...Sabellianism. Christotokos is a much more accurate description than Theotokos, and Mary was not Immaculately Conceived. Don’t be a “dunce” (Duns Scotus) ;-)


108 posted on 09/12/2014 2:02:53 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Bayard
To be the Mother of Jesus is to be the Mother of God,

NO!

God has no mother.

GOD is without beginning and without end.

He is the Ancient of Days, without mother or father.

The Son of God was born of Mary as Jesus.

Mary is the mother of Jesus as the Holy Spirit tells us in Scripture.

She is NOT the mother of the Godhead, which is what saying that Mary, is the mother of God says.

Words mean things and it the Holy Spirit intended to tell us that Mary was the mother of God, He would have had it recorded in Scripture as such. He doesn't. The Holy Spirit deliberately and clearly calls Mary *mother of Jesus*.

She was the mother of the incarnation of the Son, not the mother of the Son Himself, not the mother of His Deity.

110 posted on 09/12/2014 4:46:58 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Bayard
Since God is outside of time this is no problem.

I've heard this claim before.

130 posted on 09/13/2014 4:43:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Bayard

Bookmark. Great post....


196 posted on 09/14/2014 1:04:15 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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