Posted on 09/09/2014 10:52:49 AM PDT by Pelham
It is a common, even clichéd saying that the American Civil War pitted "brother against brother." Certainly, the conflict divided the nation as the seceded Southern states fought for independence, while the Northern and Border states fought to preserve the Union. Even within the sections, there were politicians, civilians, and soldiers who sympathized with the other "side." The issues of Slavery, "States-Rights," and the meaning of the Federal Constitution created passions and hatreds, which leapt from the ballot box to the battlefield. Even churches— especially churches— were prone to this division. Each section, denomination, and parishioner believed God to be on their side.
The sectional conflict of the 1860s over slavery and union collided with other heated socio-political struggles of the 19th century. America's pastoral Protestant society, so praised by Alexis de Tocqueville, with its patchwork of Yankee Pilgrims, Anglican planters, and Scotch-Presbyterian yeomanry was becoming more urban, immigrant-filled, and Catholic. Southern and Border states had already assimilated a small gentry of French and English Catholics but would not see drastic ethnic and religious change. Instead, the newcomer Catholics from Germany and Ireland chose to settle in the port cities and factory towns of the northeast and Midwest. They spoke with foreign accents, crammed tenements, performed manual labor, and backed big city political machines. Indeed an entire political faction arose to counter the influx of refugees from the Irish potato famine and German political revolutions of the 1840s. They were officially known as the American Party but were famously nicknamed Know Nothings for their secretive ways. They campaigned, among other things, to close saloons, limit Catholic immigration, restrict political office to Protestants, and require a 21-year wait for citizenship. The Know Nothing movement exploded in popularity during the 1850s as its candidates captured the mayoral elections of Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia,
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Among your fields is promoting and defending the immigration that is destroying America.
The left has always worked through immigration.
I get dozens of pings. I just breeze through them and pick the ones that interest me. I feel complimented that someone thinks enough of me to send me an article.
Now you know. Glad to help.
As a Catholic in East Tennessee, all I can say is: yas’m.
No, no mix up, and there was nothing in my post about illegal immigration.
To: Mrs. Don-o
Among your fields is promoting and defending the immigration that is destroying America.
The left has always worked through immigration.
21 posted on 9/9/2014 3:08:30 PM by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation’s electorate for democrats)
You're overreaching, and still no cigar.
Over and out.
It isn’t off the wall at all, we have talked about immigration, and you have always supported it, even now you first tried the “illegal” diversion, and when called on that, now you say you just want tighter requirements, not to end importing all these democrat voters.
America already has enough foreigners, we don’t need an endless stream of millions and millions, and millions of exotic foreigners to keep out voting us pro-life conservatives.
Between Point A (no immigration) and Point B ("an endless stream of millions and millions and millions of exotic foreigners") there are many, many other calibration points.
That homeschooling German Evangelical family, for instance? I would have let them in.
Meriam Ibrahim, too.
OK. NOW over-and-out.
As a Catholic in NYC, all I can say is: Oy Vey!
:o)
There is real life immigration that is bringing in an endless stream of millions of democrat voters, immigration that you appear to support.
And while we import millions of Catholics, an endless stream of Catholics to join the democrat voting Catholics already here, for some reason you describe a homeschooling, Evangelical, German, family.
Pro-life conservatism and America, don’t stand a chance until we end immigration and reduce it to almost nothing.
Actually, for some here, I’m a dirty foreign leftist spinster (check my pseudonym) Papist anti-American generally-nasty-New Yorker who should die a thousand deaths, burn in hell and take the Vatican with me.
In reality, I’m a conservative Catholic American and I, too, want to close our borders, have voter ID, and get rid of all the illegals who are destroying our economy and country.
Too bad I'm not in charge of these things. :o)
Soul Sister!!
You differentiate between Catholics and Southerners, as if they are two disparate groups, and you appear to claim Catholics prefer feudal slave states.
Yours is a comment long on bias and short on basis.
Dishonesty and lying comes in different forms.
If you are pro-life and conservative, you should not be supporting importing millions of democrat voters.
“However, the Church was here long before the Potato Famine, and Catholics fought in and aided the Revolution, even though there were serious restrictions on them and they weren’t even allowed to participate in politics or run for office.”
Maryland had been established as ‘the Catholic colony’ but I don’t think that situation lasted long. Although the Carroll family was still prominent there at the time of the Revolution.
I have Irish ancestors who I think came to the Delmarva Eastern Shore in the late 1600s- records are kind of hard to come by- they had estates in Ireland that were seized by Cromwell so they must have been Catholic at that time. I suspect they were Presbyterians by the Revolution.
Right. But I don’t support “importing millions of democrat voters.” So why are you ... oh, never mind.
It’s not a Catholic thread. It’s simply a very good article that concerns the Catholic church in America at the time of the Civil War.
Read it if you want. Skip it if you don’t care.
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