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A Tale of Two Churches
Catholic New World ^ | 9/7/14 | Francis Cardinal George

Posted on 09/08/2014 6:58:49 AM PDT by marshmallow

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1 posted on 09/08/2014 6:58:49 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

“She called herself ‘Catholic’”? Do you have scripture for that?


2 posted on 09/08/2014 7:22:07 AM PDT by discipler (How's that 'hope and change' working for 'ya? - RL)
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To: marshmallow; Salvation; tiki

Good read.


3 posted on 09/08/2014 7:26:19 AM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: marshmallow

Great post. Even the Bible says the church is universal (catholic) for everyone.


4 posted on 09/08/2014 7:31:54 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: discipler
“She called herself ‘Catholic’”? Do you have scripture for that?

Why does there have to be scripture for that? Is there scripture for "Protestant" or "Calvinist" or many other names Christians use?

5 posted on 09/08/2014 7:34:48 AM PDT by choirboy
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To: marshmallow
Catholics do know, with the certainty of faith, that, when Christ returns in glory to judge the living and the dead, the church, in some recognizable shape or form that is both Catholic and Apostolic, will be there to meet him. There is no such divine guarantee for any country, culture or society of this or any age.

And it won't be a pretty sight...

6 posted on 09/08/2014 7:45:37 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: choirboy

There is a Baptist.


7 posted on 09/08/2014 7:55:39 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: discipler

How about “Go and preach the Gospel to all men?” That’s what the Church is doing.

The first evangelizers in what is now the US were Spanish Catholics, btw; the first “pastor” was Fr. Francisco Lopez, who celebrated the first Mass in what is now St Augustine, Florida on September 8, 1565. It was attended by the Indians and evangelization began immediately.

Only a couple of centuries later, the extensive chain of Indian missions were destroyed by the attacks of English Protestant colonists from Georgia and South and many Indians and priests were killed, while about 11,000 captured Indians were sent as slaves to the British sugar plantations in the West Indies.


8 posted on 09/08/2014 8:14:14 AM PDT by livius
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To: marshmallow
Once upon a time ...

The irony is dripping ...

9 posted on 09/08/2014 8:32:27 AM PDT by dartuser
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To: marshmallow

I see the usual suspects have attacked as usual.

That said, the first place to officially permit religious tolerance in what is now the US was the Catholic colony of Maryland, founded in 1654, where all citizens were to be accepted.

Of course, once the extremely restrictive anti-Catholic laws of England came into effect in the late 1600’s, Catholics ended up (even in Maryland) being excluded from holding public office, owning land, etc.

As a result, Charles Carroll of Carrolton, the Catholic grandson of the Catholic founder of the colony and the only Catholic to sign the Declaration of Independence, was not at that time allowed to vote, formally participate in politics or even practice law, the profession for which he had been trained. He was known to other members of the Continental Congress because of his writings (under a pseudonym) and thus was asked to participate.


10 posted on 09/08/2014 8:34:50 AM PDT by livius
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To: choirboy

They were called Christians at Antioch, acts 11:26

Jesus called it my Church Matthew 16:18

My kingdom John 18:36 and Luke 22:30

The kingdom Matthew 16:19

The kingdom of God John 3:5, Luke 22:16

So in my view the Church of Christ or the Church of God would be the only thing it could be called based on the teaching of Christ.

I also believe that both of these Churches has doctrine that is not Biblical, so does it matter what it is called?


11 posted on 09/08/2014 8:35:17 AM PDT by ravenwolf (nd)
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To: ravenwolf

Correction = The kingdom of heaven Matthew 16:19


12 posted on 09/08/2014 8:37:58 AM PDT by ravenwolf (nd)
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To: livius

At least the Catholics had everything South of the United States, from Mexico to Central America and South America.


13 posted on 09/08/2014 10:09:02 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: livius
I see the usual suspects have attacked as usual.

Reading these Papist threads on the RF reminds me of reading the reverse psychology lies Pravda put out back in the days of the soviets. The lead article has the Papacy a continuity going back to the original church of the New Testament, thus, in effect attacking, not just the Church of England, but by extension every Protestant.

Then, when any Protestant disagrees with their propaganda, he is said to be "attacking." They can attack at will, especially on this RCC RF, but if anyone disagrees, HE is the attacker. Go figure. It's Pravda reverse psychology they use.

14 posted on 09/08/2014 1:45:53 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

This thread had nothing to do with Protestants but was something addressed by a Catholic bishop to Catholics, reflecting on the state of the Church.

To immediately go from this into bizarre fundamentalist Protestant anti-Catholic charges is to me an attack.


15 posted on 09/08/2014 2:54:37 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

If you don’t want Protestants to post to this thread, you should have it designated “Catholic Caucus.” Nothing “bizarre” about my reaction to the “the Papacy the only true church, Protestants excluded” tone of this article.

You folks have no idea what all this tripe Papists post looks like to a Protestant.


16 posted on 09/08/2014 3:35:51 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas
I hope you realize that coming onto a thread burbling incoherently about "papist pravda reverse psychology" isn't a way to be taken seriously.

Christ established the Catholic Church and Its been here ever since. If that bothers you take it up with God.

17 posted on 09/08/2014 6:03:09 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: discipler

go forth and teach all nations....Catholic means universal....close enough, besides it is a historical fact, probably beginning as early as the first century.


18 posted on 09/08/2014 8:22:43 PM PDT by terycarl
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19 posted on 09/08/2014 8:26:03 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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