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To: RetiredArmy

You mean that Bible that Catholics compiled and canonized? Without the Catholic Church you would know nothing of Jesus Christ. Facts are facts.


340 posted on 09/04/2014 10:25:14 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Sorry, my wife used believe as you seem. She comes from a very old German line Catholic family, all the way from the old country. She does not believe that now. She said she found the false belief and now is saved by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And if you think that the Catholic church gave the world the Gospel you are stupid. Where were the first 12 Apostles from? They were not Catholic and they and Paul, who was a JEW, and the first people saved were JEWS, not Catholics. They took the Gospel to the world as Jesus told them to do. That is EXACTLY what they did. Paul took the Gospel. He wrote most of the New Testament. Not a Catholic. Sorry friend. Paul and the 12 are the original Gospel teachers. They took the Gospel to the world. They took it into Europe where the Catholics were finally birthed. So a JEW birth the eventual Catholics. Because that Jew brought the Gospel to the world. 1 Corth 15: 1-4 IS THE GOSPEL. Death, Burial and Resurrection!!!! NOTHING ELSE. Absolutely nothing else. Nothing that the Catholic church has added. I don’t have to go anywhere to get forgiven of my sins. Not to a priests in the booth in the church. Not to my pastor behind the pulpit. No, all I have to do is get on my knees and ask JESUS CHRIST Himself for forgiveness. Scripture says after the Cross all I have to do is ask Him. I have a direct avenue directly into the throne room of God. It says I can come in boldly. Sorry. You believe what you might, but I am not falling for that stuff that I have to have a pope to forgive me and advise me on my beliefs. All I need is my Bible and talk DIRECTLY to God. And Catholics or your church did not give that to me. Paul did. That ends this conversation. I am not arguing with you any more about it. I am well versed on knowledge of the Bible and the Gospel. I don’t need you to advise me otherwise.


348 posted on 09/05/2014 4:40:28 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: NKP_Vet; RetiredArmy; metmom
You mean that Bible that Catholics compiled and canonized? Without the Catholic Church you would know nothing of Jesus Christ. Facts are facts.

You and others have tried this before, but which means nothing unless it is based upon certain presuppositions. Thus the typically unanswered questions,

Is the RC argument that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth (including writings and men being of God) and to fulfill promises of Divine presence, providence of Truth, and preservation of faith, and authority. (Jn. 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:13; Mt. 16:18; Lk. 10:16)?

And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that such is that assuredly infallible magisterium? Thus those who dissent from the latter are in rebellion to God?

361 posted on 09/05/2014 5:24:50 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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