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The Hail Mary of a Protestant
http://www.abouttherosary.com ^ | September 3, 2014 | Robbe Lyn Sebesta

Posted on 09/03/2014 6:36:07 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

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To: Elsie
Yes, bishops are sinners. Some are grave sinners.

Jesus chose Judas to be an Apostle... and bishop.

Acts 1:20

For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Psalm 109:8

Let his days be few; Let another take his office.

481 posted on 09/05/2014 7:25:09 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Steelfish
It was written 60 years after the death of Christ when there was no Bible.

So what are Moses and Isaiah, chopped liver? What Bible did Jesus use? And yes, He did use one.

Peace,

SR

482 posted on 09/05/2014 7:35:02 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
What Bible did Jesus use?

The Septuagint. About 200 of the 300 NT citations of the OT are from the Septuagint.

Septuagint Quotes in the New Testament

The Septuagint contains the deuterocanonical books of the Catholic canon of the Old Testament, or those books termed "apocryphal" by Protestants.

483 posted on 09/05/2014 7:49:18 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: NKP_Vet
... You have to be a tough, dedicated person to be a devout Catholic. It’s not for sissies, never has been. It takes total, complete dedication to be a practicing Catholic that lives their faith. Not all have all the capability to totally give their life to Christ. And that is the reason Catholics fall away from the faith. It’s too hard for them.

Which is 360 degrees opposite to what God wants. Jesus did ALL the work FOR you.

Matthew 11:28-30 (ASV)

28 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Hebrews 4:3 (AMP)

3 For we who have believed (adhered to and trusted in and relied on God) do enter that rest, in accordance with His declaration that those [who did not believe] should not enter when He said, As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest; and this He said although [His] works had been completed and prepared [and waiting for all who would believe] from the foundation of the world.

Romans 7:6 (AMP)

6 But now we are discharged from the Law and have terminated all intercourse with it, having died to what once restrained and held us captive. So now we serve not under [obedience to] the old code of written regulations, but [under obedience to the promptings] of the Spirit in newness [of life].

Colossians 2:20-23 (AMP)

20 If then you have died with Christ to material ways of looking at things and have escaped from the world's crude and elemental notions and teachings of externalism, why do you live as if you still belong to the world? [Why do you submit to rules and regulations?—such as]

21 Do not handle [this], Do not taste [that], Do not even touch [them],

22 Referring to things all of which perish with being used. To do this is to follow human precepts and doctrines.

23 Such [practices] have indeed the outward appearance [that popularly passes] for wisdom, in promoting self-imposed rigor of devotion and delight in self-humiliation and severity of discipline of the body, but they are of no value in checking the indulgence of the flesh (the lower nature). [Instead, they do not honor God but serve only to indulge the flesh.]

Galatians 4:4-7 (AMP)

4 But when the proper time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born subject to [the regulations of] the Law,

5 To purchase the freedom of (to ransom, to redeem, to atone for) those who were subject to the Law, that we might be adopted and have sonship conferred upon us [and be recognized as God's sons].

6 And because you [really] are [His] sons, God has sent the [Holy] Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, Abba (Father)! Father!

7 Therefore, you are no longer a slave (bond servant) but a son; and if a son, then [it follows that you are] an heir by the aid of God, through Christ.

Ephesians 2:4-9 (AMP)

4 But God—so rich is He in His mercy! Because of and in order to satisfy the great and wonderful and intense love with which He loved us,

5 Even when we were dead (slain) by [our own] shortcomings and trespasses, He made us alive together in fellowship and in union with Christ; [He gave us the very life of Christ Himself, the same new life with which He quickened Him, for] it is by grace (His favor and mercy which you did not deserve) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ's salvation).

6 And He raised us up together with Him and made us sit down together [giving us joint seating with Him] in the heavenly sphere [by virtue of our being] in Christ Jesus (the Messiah, the Anointed One).

7 He did this that He might clearly demonstrate through the ages to come the immeasurable (limitless, surpassing) riches of His free grace (His unmerited favor) in [His] kindness and goodness of heart toward us in Christ Jesus.

8 For it is by free grace (God's unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ's salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God;

9 Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law's demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.]

They wanted to do it their way instead of God’s way.

Oh, the irony of this statement. The Truth, and freedom from religious bondage, is waiting in God's Word.

484 posted on 09/05/2014 8:03:36 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: Kandy Atz
Which is 360 degrees opposite to what God wants. Jesus did ALL the work FOR you.

"If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross, and follow me." --Jesus

485 posted on 09/05/2014 8:07:40 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Elsie; x_plus_one; Patton@Bastogne; Oldeconomybuyer; RightField; aposiopetic; rbmillerjr; ...

See what passes for scholarship today?

Wikipedia!

See how the illiterati attack the Church,

Wikipedia!

Facts? Nah, Wikipedia!


486 posted on 09/05/2014 8:49:15 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: Kandy Atz; x_plus_one; Patton@Bastogne; Oldeconomybuyer; RightField; aposiopetic; rbmillerjr; ...

And then we have the Inumerati!

“Which is 360 degrees opposite to what God wants.”

Pssst, can you say “full circle”?

Maybe you meant to say 180 degrees?

ROTFLMAO!


487 posted on 09/05/2014 8:51:06 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: daniel1212

I will try to remember you next time an RC denies this...

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Denies what?

(And please know that *Rome* has impugned no one.)

Now, with things in the world deteriorating as quickly as they are, do you really think we should spend our time this way...or would it be better to pray for one another and then commit to prayer for those who really need to hear the Gospel?


488 posted on 09/05/2014 9:03:30 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: daniel1212

Your ignorance of Christianity is duly noted........

http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Church-Built-Western-Civilization/dp/1596983280

Ask someone today where Western Civilization originated, and he or she might say Greece or Rome. But what is the ultimate source of Western Civilization? Bestselling author and professor Thomas E. Woods, Jr. provides the long neglected answer: the Catholic Church. In the new paperback edition of his critically-acclaimed book, How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, Woods goes far beyond the familiar tale of monks copying manuscripts and preserving the wisdom of classical antiquity. Gifts such as modern science, free-market economics, art, music, and the idea of human rights come from the Catholic Church, explains Woods. In How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, you’ll learn:

Why modern science was born in the Catholic Church
How Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market economics five hundred years before Adam Smith
How the Catholic Church invented the university
Why what you know about the Galileo affair is wrong
How Western law grew out of Church canon law
How the Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life

No institution has done more to shape Western civilization than the two-thousand-year-old Catholic Church—and in ways that many of us have forgotten or never known. How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization is essential reading for recovering this lost truth.


489 posted on 09/05/2014 9:11:04 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Steelfish
This is the curse as well as the rot of modern Protestantism that leading Protestant theologians from Protestant colleges and university both in the US and abroad have jumped ship and converted to Catholicism, I trust they know far more than you and I.

Uh, speak for yourself...No doubt those you admire are well educated...And they are well educated 'about' the bible...But it's clear to me they educated themselves right out of the bible...

God didn't write the bible for intellectuals...God made the bible simple enough that a school kid could read and understand it...

As always, the problem isn't education...The problem is belief...

490 posted on 09/05/2014 9:12:41 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: SumProVita
This is NOT a teaching of the Catholic Church. The Church teaches that Salvation is due to the great sacrifice Christ made on the Cross...to atone for our sins.

Thru Mary...We both know this...And in fact, all of the Catholics I know don't believe that Jesus atoned for our sins...They teach that they have to atone for their own sins...Most Catholics on these threads teach that...

They teach that grace is free, out of one side of their mouth while at the same time claiming that grace is given (by Mary) for the works that are done in the sacraments...

Yes, we and Catholics can pray for salvation for others but (most) Catholics pray that sinners will come to the Catholic religion while I pray that sinners will come directly to Jesus...

491 posted on 09/05/2014 9:18:37 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: mdmathis6
Do you not think that the Holy Spirit might not have also been a factor in how those works were chosen and arranged? What is He..chopped liver?

How foolish some people are!!! Do they imagine the Holy Spirit sat around waiting for the "church fathers" to give their stamp of approval on those books HE had holy men of God write as HE carried them along??? God's word was God's word even if NOBODY received them. Many of God's prophets were murdered by those God sent to them and there still ARE religious people who are too blinded by pride to understand that we are in subjection to God's word - NOT the other way around!

492 posted on 09/05/2014 9:32:26 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: metmom
I hate to say it, but I think Catholics are some of the most gullible of all religious groups. Put anything to do with Mary in it and they'll swallow it hook, line and sinker!
493 posted on 09/05/2014 9:34:38 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
And why do you denigrate "precious tradition," especially when Scripture commends Sacred Tradition?

"So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter." --St. Paul

And we've been trying for years to get one of you guys to show us these traditions that were passed on by the apostles by word of mouth...But you refuse to show them to us...Any reason why???

494 posted on 09/05/2014 9:36:44 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Kandy Atz

AMEN!


495 posted on 09/05/2014 9:41:04 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Iscool

Yes, we and Catholics can pray for salvation for others....

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Good...then we shall do that and let go of the negative, the differences, etc. We are called to be holy and demonstrate the fruits of the Spirit per Galatians.


496 posted on 09/05/2014 9:51:31 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Steelfish

Some people need to read the Book of Revelation again.


497 posted on 09/05/2014 9:54:15 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SumProVita; daniel1212
Now, with things in the world deteriorating as quickly as they are, do you really think we should spend our time this way...or would it be better to pray for one another and then commit to prayer for those who really need to hear the Gospel?

Not that I don't appreciate your attempts to infuse some civility and perspective into this thread dialog, but I don't see you directing your words towards your fellow Catholics - those who post provocative anti-Protestant threads as well as asserting no Protestant can be saved until he/she converts to Roman Catholicism.

Those of us who feel compelled to post rebuttals here are doing so to CORRECT such falsehoods.

498 posted on 09/05/2014 10:06:51 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Iscool

499 posted on 09/05/2014 10:07:52 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: boatbums

500 posted on 09/05/2014 10:08:19 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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