[Rashputin]

ROTFLOL . . . Yes, with the notation that they are not inspired as the rest of the books are. So the fact that they're bound in the same covers but clearly defamed as not being His Word is nothing but a proclamation that the Holy Spirit cannot and did not protect His Word from the inclusion of error and by extension, that Jesus Christ lied when He said the Holy Spirit would lead the Apostles to all Truth.

Thanks for pointing out that the early King James Version was proud of the fact that they denied the perfection and Deity of both the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ.

[boatbums]

The reason is that those books were NEVER, read NEVER considered "inspired" even by the Catholic church until Trent. That's why Jerome as well as many other early church fathers specifically said they were not to be used for doctrine. So, the Holy Spirit most certainly DID protect the Word of God from the inclusion of error since they were not part of the Old Testament NOR the New Testament. In fact, it's those who insist these books are God-breathed Scripture who are really the ones calling into question both the reliability of the word of God as well as the perfection and deity of the Holy Spirit.

God doesn't make the stupid mistakes that are found in the Apocryphal books (i.e., The book of Judith incorrectly says that Nebuchadnezzar was the king of the Assyrians when he was the king of the Babylonians; Baruch 6:2 says the Jews would serve in Babylon for seven generations where Jer. 25:11 says it was for 70 years.) He also doesn't contradict other Scripture by condoning using magic (Tobit 6:5-7, smoke from a fish's heart, when burned, drives away evil spirits), that the giving of alms saves us (Tobit 4:11, "For alms deliver from all sin, and from death, and will not suffer the soul to go into darkness."; Tobit 12:9, "For alms delivereth from death, and the same is that which purgeth away sins.) or money as an offering for the sins of the dead (2 Maccabbees 12:43, "And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachmas of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection.)

But, like I have said to you before, you can treasure those extra books to your heart's content, but you cannot pass judgment on the souls of people who can tell the difference between the words of God and those of fallible men.

[Elsie]

You got as good laugh outta my #183 reply.

Are you going to do the same over #187???

[Elsie]

Yes, with the notation that they are not inspired as the rest of the books are.

Thanks for PROVING your claim of REMOVAL to be completely false.

But I am not laughing about it.