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To: piusv
Well, don't hurt yourself or anything.

Keep in mind that the magisterium has no charism to teach the doctrines of a religion other than Catholicism. So any assertion they make about "what Muslims teach" or "what Muslims believe" cannot be authoritative in any definitive sense. (Muslims, after all, are the authority on what Muslims believe, not Catholics.)

The assertion that Muslims profess to adore the God of Abraham is about as far as the Vatican Council can press the issue, and even that assertion is only as good as the Muslims wish to make it.

26 posted on 08/20/2014 8:05:05 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion; daniel1212; metmom; Iscool
Keep in mind that the magisterium has no charism to teach the doctrines of a religion other than Catholicism. So any assertion they make about "what Muslims teach" or "what Muslims believe" cannot be authoritative in any definitive sense. (Muslims, after all, are the authority on what Muslims believe, not Catholics.)

Substitute the word "Protestant" for "Muslim" in the above and you'll find the lie in that apologetic.

27 posted on 08/20/2014 8:43:37 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Campion

...”The assertion that Muslims profess to adore the God of Abraham is about as far as the Vatican Council can press the issue”......

But Muslims don’t worship the God of the Bible....so the Vatican Council has already gone to far. Therefore by doing so they’ve agreed with the Muslim’s statements....which we know what God says about such agreements.


30 posted on 08/20/2014 10:35:45 PM PDT by caww
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To: Campion
Well, don't hurt yourself or anything.

Ok, that made me laugh. Good one.

The assertion that Muslims profess to adore the God of Abraham is about as far as the Vatican Council can press the issue, and even that assertion is only as good as the Muslims wish to make it.

I'm not sure how to take this post of yours. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you sincerely believe this is what the Church teaches. The problem is this is not what the Catechism/Vatican II states. It doesn't state that they "profess to adore". It states that "they adore". Two very different things, my friend.

34 posted on 08/21/2014 4:29:18 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Campion
The assertion that Muslims profess to adore the God of Abraham is about as far as the Vatican Council can press the issue, and even that assertion is only as good as the Muslims wish to make it.

But it went beyond that. Finish reading the statement out of the CCC.

Here it is again......

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims."The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

About the only thing correct in that statement is that muslims profess to worship the God of Abraham. Everything else is so wrong.

The Catholic church right here in their own words states that they adore the same God.

Salvation is found through Jesus Christ, and none other. Peter says that there is no other name under heaven by which me MUST be saved. (Acts 4:12)

It's not simply a matter of acknowledging the Creator.

And in first place is the MUSLIMS?

Not the Jews who DO worship the same God, the God of the OT?

And before non-Catholic Christians who also DO worship the God of the Bible and profess faith in Jesus?

In first place is the muslims, who the church fought in the Crusades? The same ones who hack off people's heads for not converting to islam? The same ones who fly planes into buildings in the name of Allah?

That same God?

Will you wake up and actually READ what your church is saying and think it through yourself instead of believing what you are told to believe? What has been *interpreted* for you?

36 posted on 08/21/2014 6:51:02 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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