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To: Campion; daniel1212; metmom; Iscool
Keep in mind that the magisterium has no charism to teach the doctrines of a religion other than Catholicism. So any assertion they make about "what Muslims teach" or "what Muslims believe" cannot be authoritative in any definitive sense. (Muslims, after all, are the authority on what Muslims believe, not Catholics.)

Substitute the word "Protestant" for "Muslim" in the above and you'll find the lie in that apologetic.

27 posted on 08/20/2014 8:43:37 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy; Campion; daniel1212; metmom; Iscool; caww
Keep in mind that the magisterium has no charism to teach the doctrines of a religion other than Catholicism. So any assertion they make about "what Muslims teach" or "what Muslims believe" cannot be authoritative in any definitive sense. (Muslims, after all, are the authority on what Muslims believe, not Catholics.)

Substitute the word "Protestant" for "Muslim" in the above and you'll find the lie in that apologetic.

Really good point! There are many Traditionalist Catholics who cling to the dogma of extra Ecclesiam nulla salus which means: "outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation", to also include all the Protestant, or not-Catholic Christian denominations as well as the Eastern Orthodox. That is why so many flip out over Vatican II's Lumen Gentium, which softened ("reformulated positively") that language and allows the possibility that people CAN be saved outside of being formally Roman Catholic. Even Muslims and atheists are included:

    "Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life."

So, even non-theists, pagans and any other non-Christian believers can still be saved as long as they are "being good" and trying to live a good life according to their own consciences. That nullifies God's own word that states there is NO salvation outside of faith in Jesus Christ - no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved! Quite a conundrum!

31 posted on 08/20/2014 11:30:24 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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