Posted on 08/17/2014 10:21:22 AM PDT by wmfights
One who publicly denies the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Nostra Aetate is not a valid spokesman for what the Catholic Church has always taught and indeed is misleading the public ...
in any event I linked to the real Catholic teaching that includes the Jews in "Israel" and it should have stopped the mouths of anyone trying to link the Catholic Church to a religion of replacement theology.
since you are an expert, you should have no problem answering two simple yes or no questions I posed in post #77. want to give them a shot and enlighten all of us?
Wouldn't it be tragic for someone to imagine himself saved while imagining others to be damned and be left outside the gate with wailing and gnashing of teeth ? I'm trying to think of a single scriptural example of a righteous Gentile who did not show mercy to the Jews and I cannot think of anyone. Balaam was religious and sought to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel as their enemies sought to destroy them, not unlike today. He uttered the Word of God, beautiful prophecies about the children of Israel. The Lord called out his doctrine in a very negative way to the church of Pergamus. Is Balaam saved ? Is Oscar Schindler saved ? Is Mel Gibson saved ? I completely trust the LORD Jesus to judge every soul in infinite justice and mercy according to their works, as he said. Are sedevacanists heretics and by definition unsaved or is it possible the LORD might save them after all ? The LORD will decide.
Lol, it’s obvious the questions can’t be answered truthfully and be consistent with dispensational teaching. I get it.
btw, the Lord isn’t going to judge everyone according to their works and we aren’t saved by our works. we are saved by grace.....really, get a refund from whoever taught you the Faith.
let me get this straight, you believe that if a Muslim gives to the poor, feeds the hungry, clothes the naked, visits the imprisoned and cares for the elderly, BUT REJECTS JESUS CHRIST AND HIS OFFER OF SALVATION, this Muslim can be saved by his works????
oh boy.
I’ll ask again...Do you know what a dispensation is?
Do you know who used the term “dispensation of Grace” first?
The idea of allegory in the Revelation is a creation of the unstudied mind.
The Revelation is mostly literal, allowing exception for the horses ridden by the four horsemen, and John’s limited description of the military armament that he had no better way of describing.
What could possibly justify allegory in a book designed to reveal, not disguise the events that were soon to come to pass? It makes the Lord’s words to John lies. The only things not disclosed were the utterances of the thunders, because they were too horrible to put into words.
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a dispensation is a period of time.
I am attacking “dispensationalism”, which is a 19th century invention of men that opposes historical, orthodox Christianity.
probably Paul used that term first, but that term has nothing to do with “dispensationalism”, lol.
I answered your question, mind taking two seconds and answering my two yes or no questions in #77?
>> “Sir I have a better question...After Revelation chapter 3 how many times is the church mentioned? Specifically how many times AFTER Revelation 3 can you find the word church?” <<
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Actually the “Churches” in Revelation are local assemblies.
All of the Revelation is written to his Elect, his total assembly, who are mistakenly referred to in translated Bibles as “the Church.”
The “church” is there in every chapter of the Revelation, until the last trump when they are taken up to meet him in the cloud at the end of the tribulation, striking fear into the rest of the population of the world who are forced to witness their rescue before the wrath of the Lord is poured out in the bowl judgements for ten days.
Then after those ten days they return with the conquering King, to rule with him for 1000 years.
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Well it might not hurt to read the texts you seem to be asserting a particular doctrine to. After Revelation 3 churches and the church is not mentioned. We do have Israel mentioned quite a few times. Don’t you find that a bit curious?
Don’t know what you are getting at with the JWs. Their views have no bearing on this conversation. Who is arguing the Trinity? Or is that an attempt to change the subject?
The two witnesses are not identified as church.
Should we not examine the text you mention?
Revelation 11:3-14 NASB
And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
And if anyone wants to harm them, fire flows out of their mouth and devours their enemies; so if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way. These have the power to shut up the sky, so that rain will not fall during the days of their prophesying; and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with every plague, as often as they desire.
When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
Those from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their dead bodies for three and a half days, and will not permit their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” Then they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them. And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell; seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven. The second woe is past; behold, the third woe is coming quickly.
re: JW’s. I am getting at when I speak with them, they use the fact the word “Trinity” is not found in the Bible as proof the Trinity is false. I was comparing this to your seeming using the same tactic by asking how many times we fin the word “church” after Revelation 3. we don’t need to find the word if we find the church, as in the description of the two witnesses can only be the church.
You do a yeoman’s work here; if only the blind were capable of reading what you post with understanding, rather than in search of avenues of derision.
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He has sent strong delusion to many here.
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How so? The plain text says that. Not Darby. Or are you saying it is impossible for a modern army to use horses? Or a prophet of Zechariah's time to put things in the language and understanding of the time? I don't think their was a Hebrew word for Infantry Fighting Vehicle or Tank. Then again when what Zechariah explains here happens after years of bloodshed, famine, war, and pestilence. Is it inconceivable what is left are horses and people using them for combat?
I am reminded of my brothers in arms using horses in Afghanistan. So the only silliness here is your irreverence towards the inspired Word of God.
King James Bible
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places ( Ephesians 6:12 )
this is the battle going on in the world, not some mythical world v. physical Jerusalem military battle.
one man’s irreverence is another man’s rightly dividing.
#77???
You seem to read and respond to what you wish.
Is the rapture discussed in the NT?
And here we've seen the arrogance of the Catholic church in stating that very thing.
Until VII, that was the clear teaching of the RCC.,P> Since VII they've softened their stand but it is STILL stated as such in the CCC.
And we see here on FR Catholics who still hold to that.
no, the silence of the dispensationalists to two simple questions is designed to expose the unbiblical teachings they put forth. so far, it’s working.
what you call “the rapture” is the second coming of Jesus Christ at the end of the world, so yes it is mentioned in the NT.
turning in, I will be anxious to see tomorrow if I have any takers on #77.
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