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To: metmom
If they weren't believers in the first place, they were never sealed with the Holy Spirit?

How would you know ? Can you read the seal ? Can you prevent God from breaking the seal to cut off the disobedient who turn from the faith ?

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:

386 posted on 07/19/2014 12:34:47 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

Show me some Scripture where it tells us that God will break the seal if we sin.


388 posted on 07/19/2014 12:37:42 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981
Can you prevent God from breaking the seal to cut off the disobedient who turn from the faith ?

Turning from *the faith* isn't going to make a bit of difference. *The faith* doesn't save. Jesus does. Faith must be put in Jesus. Having faith in your faith doesn't do anything for you because it's being put in the wrong object.

Turning from Christ may be a different matter, but then again, look at Jesus response to Peter and Thomas, one who DENIED Him and one who doubted Him.

And why would you expect God to deal with the rest of us any differently? He is no respecter of persons.

If Jesus could and did restore Peter after his denial, why do you think He'd do any differently for the rest of us?

390 posted on 07/19/2014 12:41:29 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981

Why do Catholics fight the idea of the security of the believer so hard?

Why don’t they seem to want to believe that God will keep secure those who trust in Him?

Why do they feel the need to contribute to their salvation so much?

I don’t get the mindset of a person who wants to believe so hard that he could lose his salvation.


394 posted on 07/19/2014 12:49:53 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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