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To: ealgeone

“If God will forgive sins when a priest is not available, surely He will forgive sins to a person who confesses their sins to Him whether they go a priest or not.”

1) Where EXACTLY is my supposed contradiction? There is no contradiction. I did not contradict myself.

2) I never said God would forgive sins without a priest when someone had recourse to a priest but did not avail themselves of that priest’s God-given authority and ability to absolve. Thus I did not contradict myself. And I knew from the beginning that I was not contradicting myself.

3) Here, let me help you AGAIN since you seem to have such difficulty understanding what is so plain:

- God sent priests with the power to absolve (John 20:19-23).

- Under normal circumstances the priest serves that role.

- In some circumstances - captivity, being at death’s door, being the most obvious ones - no priest is available. In that situation a man should confess his sin as he would anyway, and do so with perfect contrition, and hope for the mercy of God.

- I have every reason to believe God is merciful and will take into account the man’s perfect contrition but inability to make use of the faculties of a priest.

- Whether or not forgiveness is applied to him is up to God, but as I said, I have no reason to doubt that God is merciful when a man is perfectly contrite and has no recourse to a priest.

Now, that’s longer than what I said before, but doesn’t differ in any necessary important details to what I said before. Thus, there is no contradiction at all. And I knew it all along that there was no contradiction.

Now, why should someone avail himself of a priest’s faculties if a sin - in some circumstances - can be forgiven (i.e. forgiveness applied to the penitent person) without the faculties of a priest? Because that’s how God obviously intended it as seen in John 20:19-23. God works through His people all the time. He works through His priests. That’s how he wanted it. That’s why He made them priests. That’s why He sent them under the Church into the world.

Think of it this way: Can we know Jesus without being able to read? Yes. Sure we can. But God gave us the Bible to know Him better. Thus, we know Jesus best when we use all that He gave us to know Him - and that includes the Bible naturally. Yet no one would doubt that illiterate people can know Jesus just because they can read. Any literate Christian person who has access to a Bible is making a mistake if they spend time reading it. Any Catholic who has access to a priest but does not avail himself of God’s gift of absolution held by the priest is making a mistake.

I made no contradiction whatsoever.


513 posted on 07/15/2014 10:59:04 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

You>No. It is not that the sin must be confessed to a A man who had committed a mortal sin, and genuinely had contrition for it can, if he were in a situation where confession to a priest were impossible, commit himself to the mercy of God in perfect contrition. I have no reason to doubt God’s mercy in that situation.


515 posted on 07/15/2014 11:07:39 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: vladimir998; ealgeone
>> Any literate Christian person who has access to a Bible is making a mistake if they spend time reading it.<<

>> I made no contradiction whatsoever.<<

ROFL!!!!! You are too much.

519 posted on 07/15/2014 11:28:00 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: vladimir998
Any literate Christian person who has access to a Bible is making a mistake if they spend time reading it.

Please tell me that was a typo.

520 posted on 07/15/2014 11:30:40 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: vladimir998; Gamecock
Hey, GC, here's another one for your Catholic quote hall of fame.

Any literate Christian person who has access to a Bible is making a mistake if they spend time reading it.

528 posted on 07/15/2014 11:42:50 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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