Posted on 07/12/2014 8:50:54 AM PDT by Legatus
Some Papal Quotes that somehow and in some way beyond my meager intellect are in continuity with each other, or something.
First Quote
Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441. ex cathedra (infallibly defined):
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has persevered within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/FLORENCE.HTM#4
Second Quote
“I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s not spend our time on those. Rather, let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.” --Pope Francis 2014
Yeah. Umm. So. Discuss. Or something.
Bonus Quotes for discussion purposes.
Pope PIUS IX, the Holy Office-- THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS CONDEMNED :
15. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. --condemned Allocution "Maxima quidem," June 9, 1862; Damnatio "Multiplices inter," June 10, 1851.
16. Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation. --condemned Encyclical "Qui pluribus," Nov. 9, 1846.
17. Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ. -- condemned
Encyclical "Quanto conficiamur," Aug. 10, 1863, etc.
18. Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion, in which form it is given to please God equally as in the Catholic Church. --condemned Encyclical "Noscitis," Dec. 8, 1849.
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9syll.htm
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So how do you know I'm not one of you?
I would recommend that any Church that conforms to the Westminster Confession of Faith; exclusive Psalmody, etc., would be a good choice.
There is more than one denomination that fits this category, and none of them claims an exclusive monopoly on salvation, so there is a choice for the seeker.
There may or may not be one in your area, but if you’re serious, you can search the internet.
I will message you to explain my position on anonymity.
Yeshua is the son.
Don’t you have a Bible?
>> “If you’re trying to save my soul, tell me what religion(s) I need to convert to.” <<
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No religion!
Religion is of men and Satan. We need the Way of Yeshua, and nothing invented by men.
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When did I ever say you are not?
Oh but you are wrong. We agree on all that is salvidic. A small disagreement on an issue like whether the New Jerusalem is the church has nothing to do with salvation. Now who to pray to or through is a major issue.
Ahh! Good old Martin Luther, the father of the first Protestant Church.
As you have said, it doesn't hurt to read something:
Do you all really agree? Do you all believe that non repented sodomites are in God's grace and will be granted eternal life in Heaven?
Are the Orthodox, and Coptic Churches just chopped liver then?
If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.
Actually, Christianity was founded in 33.
What a stupid question. You take non repented as not salvidic?
Post 213 above has links to doctrinal positions of the WCF 1646.
If you’re debating with me, those are the positions that I hold to.
Did you mean salvific?
salvific
Houghton Mifflin
adj.adjective
1.Having the intention or power to bring about salvation or redemption.
How interesting. Indeed I should have spelled it the way I wanted. I type my posts in Word because I can have larger print (eyesight) and it corrected my spelling to read salfidic rather than salvific which I had typed. I suppose now I even have to be Cynical of the spell check in Word. Thanks for the heads up.
I know it’s hard. I am always correcting typos I make.
lol, “spell check” can wind up being a “word change” feature.
The Vatican itself doesn’t agree with Sister Marian’s extreme viewpoint. It recognises all other Christian denominations as Christian. Sure, they may not be as old as the Catholic Church, or have as direct a lineage to the Church of the Apostles, but they’re still at least more or less Christian. This means that Marian, by her standard, is dissenting from the Catholic Church and thus is not a Christian.
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