Posted on 07/10/2014 2:24:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
What does it take to produce the first-ever papal high-five? A meeting with American televangelists, apparently.
The gesture came during a three-hour meeting of Pope Francis and Texas televangelists Kenneth Copeland and James Robison, just weeks after the pontiff met with televangelist Joel Osteen and other religious leaders. At the June 24 meeting, Robison said he was so moved by Pope Francis message of the gospel that he asked the translator to ask Francis for a high-five. The pope obliged, raised his arm and the two men smacked hands.
The televangelists are among some wealthier U.S. evangelicals who have recently met with Francis, who has called for a focus on the poor and a simple lifestyle for clergy. In March, the pope met with members of the Green family, the Oklahoma billionaires whose company, Hobby Lobby, won their challenge to President Obamas contraception coverage mandate at the Supreme Court last week.
Copeland and Osteen have been criticized by some as teaching health and wealth prosperity theology, the belief that faith can increase ones wealth. But from his humble shoes to his simple Fiat, Francis has set a decidedly un-extravagant example.
The prosperity gospel seems to be fundamentally opposed to the message that Francis has been spreading. But he has shown that hes willing to meet with just about anyone, said Michael Peppard, a professor of theology at Fordham University.
Joel Osteen seems to have a charismatic authority among a large amount of people. Maybe Francis is channeling Jesus: If you disagree with someone, meet with them.
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blah blah blah. You haven’t figured it out yet....I don’t care what you think.
That is just your problem, “Figuring it out.”
That is of man.
When a Christian is unmistakably encountered by Christ, his whole perspective changes.
Nope, no problem here.
Hey the “men you trust” have “figured it out” for you.
You haven’t encountered Christ if you can not see the clay feet of the rest as well as your own.
God has shown me the One True Faith in the Traditional teachings of the Holy Catholic Church. Your false accusations just bounce off of me.
::dusts feet::
I agree with your basic premise and I know where you are coming from. But what you bring up is an interesting puzzle especially when looking at people of scripture as well as great Christians of history and how they approached things. This includes are Lord Jesus. At times our Lord was very gentle in His approach to others. At other times He was very critical. And, what is interesting, when you thought that He would give a gentle answer He would be very stern and visa versa.
I’m not sure if a “one sizes fits all” really works. I suspect that different approaches are what God uses to further His kingdom. This is very important when one thinks about how we approach witnessing and discussing the gospel with others. Some are more quiet and subdue while other are more aggressive. Some don’t have the foggiest idea of what they’re talking about while others are more thoughtful. In the end it doesn’t matter. We can trust the seeds of grace will always sprout whatever manure we place on top of them. :O)
In the end God gets His message out as He so promise, no matter how bad we may think we mess it up.
“Objectively they are heretics. Therefore, using the word is certainly valid and in no need for correction.”
That can be argued since they have not been corrected by their (our) bishop. They are in error. They are not be obdurate after correction - which is a requirement to be a formal heretic.
“And you have put the cart of the church before the horse of Christ.”
No, actually I did no such thing.
Two statements of yours that I agree with and have observed to be true.
I see my comment to pastor books was removed and that does not surprise me. I made the comment in response to the “most priests like boys” comment that he made which of course was not removed.
Saying most priests like boys is no different than saying most protestants belong to westboro baptist church or most white males are serial killers.
I don’t believe any of those things, I was just trying to make a point.
I guess since I’m Catholic though I have to tread lightly.
I don’t know if it was before or after my last past but I see his comments were removed as well and I am appreciative of that.
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