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You wrote:

“when you’re own your knees before someone, it’s worship.”

So everyman in America has worshipped his wife when he asked her to marry him???? Yeah, a Protestant would be stupid enough to believe that.

“btw...that’s a catholic priest in the photo in his knees before a statue of Mary.”

So would you falsely accuse him of worshipping the statue OF Mary or Mary herself? Yeah, again, an anti-Catholic Protestant would be stupid enough to believe either thing.

“She was pierced as any mom would be by the death of their son.”

No. Her piercing was FORETOLD. How many “any Moms” do you know who have that happen to them? Right, none.

“Mary did not hang and die on the cross for us.”

Of course not.

“Only Christ can save us.”

Yep, and Mary cooperated with His plan from the start.

“Where? Need the verse.”

I realize Protestants are often grossly ignorant about scripture, but you really need to learn how to use a search engine. I told you it was in St. Paul. Use the word “tradition” in a search engine at biblegateway or something.

“however, the Bible notes the following:”

The Bible notes nothing that conflicts with what I have said. Again, read St. Paul. Learn how to use that search engine yet?

Then you posted this:

“Mediatrix of All Graces is a special Marian title that some Roman Catholics give to the Blessed Virgin Mary as the mother of Jesus Christ, encompassing the belief that all the graces and blessings that her son gives come through her.”

Which looks remarkably like this from Wikipedia:

So, you’re cutting and pasting without attribution now? Gee, that really makes me think you’re honest. . . not.

“Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914)”

First, you didn’t get that from the Vatican website or else you would have simply posted a link. Also, the fact that anti-Catholic Protestants are generally stupid people made me realize that “13th” would show that this is from an anti-Catholic website. Confirmed: http://carm.org/roman-catholicism-mary-compare-god

What you forgot to leave out is this:

“With equal truth may it be also affirmed that, by the will of God, Mary is the intermediary through whom is distributed unto us this immense treasure of mercies gathered by God, for mercy and truth were created by Jesus Christ.[6] Thus as no man goeth to the Father but by the Son, so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother. How great are the goodness and mercy revealed in this design of God! What a correspondence with the frailty of man! We believe in the infinite goodness of the Most High, and we rejoice in it; we believe also in His justice and we fear it. We adore the beloved Savior, lavish of His blood and of His life; we dread the inexorable Judge. Thus do those whose actions have disturbed their consciences need an intercessor mighty in favor with God, merciful enough not to reject the cause of the desperate, merciful enough to lift up again towards hope in the divine mercy the afflicted and the broken down. Mary is this glorious intermediary; she is the mighty Mother of the Almighty; but-what is still sweeter — she is gentle, extreme in tenderness, of a limitless loving-kindness. As such God gave her to us. Having chosen her for the Mother of His only begotten Son, He taught her all a mother’s feeling that breathes nothing but pardon and love. Such Christ desired she should be, for He consented to be subject to Mary and to obey her as a son a mother. Such He proclaimed her from the cross when he entrusted to her care and love the whole of the race of man in the person of His disciple John. Such, finally, she proves herself by her courage in gathering in the heritage of the enormous labors of her Son, and in accepting the charge of her maternal duties towards us all.”

Thus, since Mary’s effort in that regard is all INTERCESORY and happens whether appealed to or not there can be no dispute. Protestant anti-Catholics are shown to be morons yet again.

“says nothing about people having to come to Peter and ask for forgiveness. “

Sure it does: Peter had no way of giving or retaining forgiveness unless someone told him what their sins were. THINK. Look up 2 Corinthians 2:10 in an old pre-1966 Bible (Catholic or Protestant). See it? Look for the word “person”. Do you know why it is there?

Once again we see that anti-Catholic Protestants don’t know anything about the Bible, or Christianity, or logic. I’ve never taught special ed, but I often think working with anti-Catholic Protestants is probably similar except that the special ed kids probably don’t pretend to know things they don’t know.

You wrote: “when you’re own your knees before someone, it’s worship.” So everyman in America has worshipped his wife when he asked her to marry him???? Yeah, a Protestant would be stupid enough to believe that

I almost stopped reading at this juvenile reply. What are you? 14 years old?

“btw...that’s a catholic priest in the photo in his knees before a statue of Mary.” So would you falsely accuse him of worshiping the statue OF Mary or Mary herself? Yeah, again, an anti-Catholic Protestant would be stupid enough to believe either thing.

In either case it's a graven image and the Bible clearly teaches we are not to worship or pray to graven images...or even make them for worship.

“Where? Need the verse.” I realize Protestants are often grossly ignorant about scripture, but you really need to learn how to use a search engine. I told you it was in St. Paul. Use the word “tradition” in a search engine at biblegateway or something.

Oh gee...thanks o' wise one...I never would have thought to do that. Hence the reason I asked you to show the verses that support tradition. There are three verses the RCC hangs their hat on for tradition. When read in their context, and not lifted out like the RCC does, there is no support for the "tradition" the RCC claims. Let's see if you can find them.

Only Christ can save us.” Yep, and Mary cooperated with His plan from the start.

Outside of giving birth to Christ and raising Him, Mary has NOTHING to do with our salvation. She plays zero part in our salvation. There is NOTHING in the Bible to support the allegations of the RCC.

Which looks remarkably like this from Wikipedia: “Mediatrix of All Graces is a special Marian title that some Roman Catholics give to the Blessed Virgin Mary as the mother of Jesus Christ, encompassing the belief that all the graces and blessings that her son gives come through her.” So, you’re cutting and pasting without attribution now? Gee, that really makes me think you’re honest. . . not.

Hey look...you know how to use a search engine! Regardless of the source and that it was not referenced, it remains a title the RCC give to Mary and it blasphemy. Sorry you don't like it.

“Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914)” First, you didn’t get that from the Vatican website or else you would have simply posted a link.

I don't give the reference and you're not happy and then I give the reference and you're not happy. Does it alter what is said?

I also left this out:

How grateful and magnificent a spectacle to see in the cities, and towns, and villages, on land and sea -- wherever the Catholic faith has penetrated -- many hundreds of thousands of pious people uniting their praises and prayers with one voice and heart at every moment of the day, saluting Mary, invoking Mary, hoping everything through Mary. http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13ro1.htm

Happy?

oh and there's lots more on the false teachings of Mary I haven't provided:

We notice that Vatican II did not add the words "of all graces." However, as many papal texts point out, Mary's role in dispensation flows logically from her role in acquiring all graces. Further, the Council itself added a note on the above passage, in which it refers us to the texts of Leo XIII, Adiutricem populi, St. Pius X, Ad diem illum, Pius XI, Miserentissimus Redemptor, and Pius XII, Radiomessage to Fatima. Leo XIII, in the text referred to, spoke of her, as we saw above, as having "practically limitless power." St. Pius X said she was the "dispensatrix of all the gifts, and is the "neck" connecting the Head of the Mystical Body to the Members. But all power flows through the neck. Pius XII said "Her kingdom is as vast as that of her Son and God, since nothing is excluded from her dominion." These and many other texts speak in varied ways of Mary as Mediatrix of all graces, so often that the teaching has become infallible. https://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/marya4.htmn

And that is a fabrication right out of the pit.

have you ever had a course on interpreting the Bible and looking at the verse in question in its context??

I await your enlightened answer.