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To: editor-surveyor; CynicalBear
Why post your complete misunderstanding of scripture? No one has ever declared a shred of justification by the law, and to say that anyone has is a lie.

Contradict yourself much??? You just got done saying:

The apostles all wrote that "doers of the law will be justified." They did not write that doers of the law will be justified by the law. Nobody ever was or will be justified by the law. Doers of the law will be justified because earnestly and obediently following the commandments is what leads to genuine righteousness. It makes his disciples “righteous as he is righteous.” That is why the law is called “instruction in righteousness,” and “the perfect law of liberty.” “ For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.”

Are you trying to play both sides and running face first into your OWN slammed door? Either we are justified by the law or we are justified by faith. DOING the law is the same thing as saying we are justified BY the law. God made it patently clear that the law in NO WAY justifies anyone - because it can't!

In Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible, we read:

    For not the hearers of the law are just before God,.... The apostle here shows, that the Jews were justly condemned, notwithstanding their having and hearing of the law; since hearing without doing it, will never denominate persons righteous in the sight of God, however it might recommend them in the sight of men: regard seems to be had either to the first delivery of the law by Moses to the people of Israel, when he read it to them, and they hearkened to it, and promised obedience; or rather to the reading and hearing it every sabbath day; and may include a speculative knowledge of it, without a practical obedience to it; and which therefore must fall greatly short of entitling them to a justifying righteousness; since not these, but the doers of the law, shall be justified; by whom are meant, not such who merely literally and externally fulfil the law, as they imagine; for the law is spiritual, and regards the inward as well as the outward man, and requires internal holiness, as well as external obedience; and the apostle is speaking of justification before God, who sees the heart, and not before men, who judge according to outward appearance: nor are such designed who are imperfect doers of the law; for the law requires a perfect obedience, and what is not perfect is not properly righteousness; nor does it, nor can it consider an imperfect righteousness as a perfect one; for it accuses of, pronounces guilty, curses, and condemns for every transgression of it. But such only can be intended, who are doers of it spiritually, internally, as well as externally, and that perfectly. Adam, in his state of innocence, was a perfect doer of the law; he sinning, and all his posterity in him, none of them are righteous, but all pass under a sentence of condemnation. The best of men, even believers in Christ, are not without sin in themselves; and when any of the saints are said to be perfect, it must be understood in a comparative sense, or as they are considered in Christ. There never was but one since Adam, and that is Christ, who has fulfilled, or could perfectly fulfil the law; the thing is impossible and impracticable for fallen man: hence these words must be understood either hypothetically, thus, not the hearers of the law, but if there were any perfect doers of it, they would be justified before God; or else of such persons who are considered in Christ, by whom the whole perfect righteousness of the law is fulfilled in them, and who may be reckoned as perfect doers of it in him, their substitute, surety, and representative.

923 posted on 07/04/2014 1:57:56 PM PDT by boatbums (Proud member of the Free Republic Bible Thumpers Brigade.)
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To: boatbums

You rely on the opinions of men?

Let’s stick with the Bible, how many millions will spend eternity in Hell fire due to Gill?

I did not contradict myself.

A status of general compliance with Torah, simply for the sake of being known for complying with Torah is of no value whatsoever. That is why most Jews are lost.

Yeshua demands that we obey his commandments out of love and belief in him. To those that do that, the effect is the teaching of true righteousness through more than simple knowledge of what sin is declared to be by the law. It creates a desire to please him that is visibly lacking in those that reject what he has commanded.

The rejectors of his commandments often insist that they are “saved by grace,” but then insist that grace consists of automatic righteousness granted for saying a prayer that is nowhere to be found in the Word of God. They don’t even recognize that this is totally a works based vacuum of man’s creation.

John’s first epistle is the best place to get one’s head straight. John was the only person on Earth that had a close personal, human relationship with our savior, and probably the only one that fully understood his words. He stood there at the cross and watched, and fully understood each and every thing that happened, as it happened, as is told in his 5th chapter.

John fully recognized that those that followed his commandments willingly were the only ones that truly loved him; the rest were just in it for a guarantee of salvation that could not be had free of that special love.

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925 posted on 07/04/2014 4:53:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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