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To: FourtySeven; metmom
So the context is clear: verse 25 is clearly saying that there are many other things Jesus did that are *also* helpful so that "we know his testimony is true", that aren't recorded. This obviously necessitates a greater repository of Truth than is contained in the written Word.

You can not further nor defend your position by perverting scripture...There is nothing in verse 25 that says the things Jesus did beyond what was written are 'also helpful'...It plain flat out does not say that...And John goes on to say that what was given us is all we need...

If you can't base your position on the truth of the bible, you don't have a position...

425 posted on 06/26/2014 12:43:41 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
There is nothing in verse 25 that says the things Jesus did beyond what was written are 'also helpful'

So the things Jesus did that aren't recorded in Scripture are of no value whatsoever? Jesus actually did things that have no value whatsoever?

Who are the people that don't love Jesus again? That don't think he's important?

And John goes on to say that what was given us [in Scripture] is all we need...

Wrong! Talk about reading something that isn't there.

If you can't base your position on the truth of the bible, you don't have a position...

Which is the Protestant game, not mine. I refuse to subject myself to that notion until and unless you, or anyone, can prove to me "sola scriptura" is correct!

It's just that simple. So you can claim that ("If you can't base your position on the truth of the bible, you don't have a position...") all you want. Claims aren't proof though. And neither are mere opinions of Scripture meanings either.

427 posted on 06/26/2014 12:53:31 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Iscool; FourtySeven; Elsie
FS: So the context is clear: verse 25 is clearly saying that there are many other things Jesus did that are *also* helpful so that "we know his testimony is true", that aren't recorded. This obviously necessitates a greater repository of Truth than is contained in the written Word.

John 21:24-25 This is the disciple who is bearing witness about these things, and who has written these things, and we know that his testimony is true. Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

Iscool is correct. It does not say *also helpful*.

Why did you add that? I find it incredibly ironic that Luther is castigated for *adding* *alone* to faith and yet here we have a Catholic adding words to Scripture that the context doesn't even imply.

And as Elsie pointed out in post 422, you did not answer this question. Wanna try again?

What is so important that God left out of Scripture that someone feels they need to add later?

441 posted on 06/26/2014 2:04:36 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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