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To: SeekAndFind

Both.

Christianity as we know it today is largely the creation of Paul. At the same time, in the words of Thomas Jefferson in his ‘Letter to William Short’ of 13 April, 1820:

“Of this band of dupes and impostors, Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and firm corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus. These palpable interpolations and falsifications of his doctrines led me to try to sift them apart.”

Or to quote Soren Kirkegaard,

“In the teachings of Christ, religion is completely present tense: Jesus is the prototype and our task is to imitate him, become a disciple. But then through Paul came a basic alteration. Paul draws attention away from imitating Christ and fixes attention on the death of Christ The Atoner. What Martin Luther, in his reformation, failed to realize is that even before Catholicism, Christianity had become degenerate at the hands of Paul. Paul made Christianity the religion of Paul, not of Christ. Paul threw the Christianity of Christ away, completely turning it upside down, making it just the opposite of the original proclamation of Christ.”

So yes, both. It would be an interesting “What If” of history if Paul hadn’t come along - what shape would Christianity have taken? Paul was certainly the great popularizer of Christianity, but if his own theological interpretations are removed wholesale from Christianity (the Pauline Epistles, etc.) we’d likely have something that looks a like Thomas Jefferson’s edit of the Bible.


14 posted on 06/24/2014 2:38:14 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
.?? Jefferson's edits mostly took out the miracles.
60 posted on 06/24/2014 3:40:57 PM PDT by statered ("And you know what I mean.")
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Thank you.

I figured this out all on my own.


110 posted on 06/24/2014 7:18:06 PM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Soren Kirkegaard? Really? Liberal theological tradition era soundly refuted.


122 posted on 06/24/2014 7:37:59 PM PDT by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Christianity as we know it today is largely the creation of Paul.

ProtestantISM as we know it today is largely the creation of these guys....




Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

230 posted on 06/25/2014 5:58:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/715371/Dr._Shnayer_Leiman/Jewish_Perspectives_on_Early_******ianity_-_Nittel,_the_Ninth_of_Teves_and_Pope_Simon_Peter_-_Cong_Beth_Abraham

http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/726352/Dr.%20Shnayer%20Leiman/Jewish%20Perspectives%20on%20Early%20******ianity:%20Toldot%20Yeshu


515 posted on 06/27/2014 5:15:18 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: AnAmericanAbroad; All

There would have been greater emphasis placed on books such as James or of Peter which also had some things to say about sin. Paul wasn’t the only one to condemn homosexuality....John does in the book of Revelation listing homosexuals as among those who would not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Take out the Pauline gospels and you’d simply have the same repent and be saved messages as Paul wrote. Paul simply supplies the sinews that connect new Testament times with old Testament times, showing that Christ was at the center all the time...even in times of old!


744 posted on 07/01/2014 1:59:23 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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