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To: roamer_1; editor-surveyor
But Christians somehow think that abstaining from what He actually ordained and sanctified (which Yeshua kept and taught from), His Sabbath and His Holy Days, in order to worship on days decreed by men (which very coincidentally, of course, fall upon pagan days) is giving YHWH his due! Imagine that! How bold! Don't you think it might be a design of Satan to distract Christians away from the images that YHWH has put forth for us to learn? Why do you think that YHWH was SO very adamant about those days? Because there is a message for YOU in each and every one, that He needed to preserve through time. And those messages must be true.

No, I don't think it is Satan's "design" to distract Christians away from loving and serving Christ but just the opposite, it WOULD be his design to keep people enslaved to the law that can never justify and was never meant to justify anyone and to use others to place upon them burdens that no one can bear in order to pervert the Gospel of the grace of God. The term "cheap grace" is an oxymoron. More than enough time and space has been taken on this thread to counter the arguments you continue to make proposing "your" way is a better way to know and serve Christ. I'm not at all swayed by your incessant arguments.

At least you aren't defending obedience to Torah as THE way to have eternal life as Editor-Surveyor has been doing. He takes it upon himself to judge the hearts of believers in Christ and declare them satan's children because they don't agree with his accursed gospel. You, on the other hand, are only contending that nobody can "truly" love Christ and serve Him unless they are also obedient to the whole Torah. Maybe you two need to dialog a little with each other and explain how you both can be "right" while everyone else is wrong? It should be an interesting exchange.

1,021 posted on 07/08/2014 8:42:53 PM PDT by boatbums (Proud member of the Free Republic Bible Thumpers Brigade.)
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To: boatbums; roamer_1
>> “At least you aren't defending obedience to Torah as THE way to have eternal life as Editor-Surveyor has been doing” <<

That is a false and most dishonest statement!

All of your posts are based on such false and dishonest statements. Doing battle with a strawman will do nothing for your departure from scripture, nor your stature here.

Obedience to his commandments is always the result of Yeshua being “in” you, with no exceptions, as John clearly stated in his first epistle:

1John.2

[1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
[2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

1,024 posted on 07/09/2014 10:06:50 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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