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To: boatbums; metmom; Iscool; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; caww; count-your-change
If, according to you, the Torah can never change [...]

Oh, not according to me. According to YHWH. One of the principles of the OT... And THE foremost proof from YHWH to the nations that HE ALONE IS GOD. I have waded through every sort of religion that you might think of - both divine and profane - The ONLY system which absolutely does not allow for change is YHWH's. What He said WILL BE. That is why Replacement Theology cannot be true. And neither can anything else that seeks to change what was originally put forth.

Study it - You will find I am right.

[...] why aren't those curses still applicable today?

Because they were hung upon a tree...

What you continue to defend is your version of what "obedience" to Jesus' commands really mean. Though Jesus ratifies every one of the Ten Commandments - imposing their spirit over the letter, we do not find Him doing the same for the 603 OTHER components of the Mosaic Law.

But Torah is indivisible. If he were to add to or take from Torah, He would not be without sin.

There's a reason for that. Jesus is our righteousness - He fulfills ALL righteousness in our place - and it is why we are also justified THROUGH faith in Him, our Redeemer.

That is right. But if we love YHWH we will keep is commandments.

So, yes, Jesus DID say if we love Him we will obey His commandments and that His commandments are not "grievous". He also said ALL the commandments could be summed up in, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” (Matt. 22:37-40)

But YHWH's commandments ARE Yeshua's commandments. They cannot be different. The son lives in his father's house.

And the Big Two have always been the Big Two. Jews know that these two are the sum of the rest. They are the summary of the two 'sides' of the big 10, which are a summary of all the rest.

If we obey this with all our hearts - through the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit, we will be demonstrating we are His disciples and that we love Him.

Obey WHAT? HOW? How does one love YHWH and worship Him? He has said how in the Torah.

But Christians somehow think that abstaining from what He actually ordained and sanctified (which Yeshua kept and taught from), His Sabbath and His Holy Days, in order to worship on days decreed by men (which very coincidentally, of course, fall upon pagan days) is giving YHWH his due! Imagine that! How bold! Don't you think it might be a design of Satan to distract Christians away from the images that YHWH has put forth for us to learn? Why do you think that YHWH was SO very adamant about those days? Because there is a message for YOU in each and every one, that He needed to preserve through time. And those messages must be true.

1,016 posted on 07/08/2014 3:45:32 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1; editor-surveyor
But Christians somehow think that abstaining from what He actually ordained and sanctified (which Yeshua kept and taught from), His Sabbath and His Holy Days, in order to worship on days decreed by men (which very coincidentally, of course, fall upon pagan days) is giving YHWH his due! Imagine that! How bold! Don't you think it might be a design of Satan to distract Christians away from the images that YHWH has put forth for us to learn? Why do you think that YHWH was SO very adamant about those days? Because there is a message for YOU in each and every one, that He needed to preserve through time. And those messages must be true.

No, I don't think it is Satan's "design" to distract Christians away from loving and serving Christ but just the opposite, it WOULD be his design to keep people enslaved to the law that can never justify and was never meant to justify anyone and to use others to place upon them burdens that no one can bear in order to pervert the Gospel of the grace of God. The term "cheap grace" is an oxymoron. More than enough time and space has been taken on this thread to counter the arguments you continue to make proposing "your" way is a better way to know and serve Christ. I'm not at all swayed by your incessant arguments.

At least you aren't defending obedience to Torah as THE way to have eternal life as Editor-Surveyor has been doing. He takes it upon himself to judge the hearts of believers in Christ and declare them satan's children because they don't agree with his accursed gospel. You, on the other hand, are only contending that nobody can "truly" love Christ and serve Him unless they are also obedient to the whole Torah. Maybe you two need to dialog a little with each other and explain how you both can be "right" while everyone else is wrong? It should be an interesting exchange.

1,021 posted on 07/08/2014 8:42:53 PM PDT by boatbums (Proud member of the Free Republic Bible Thumpers Brigade.)
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