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To: Iscool
The Law was never a guide...It was the Law...Fail one aspect and we're guilty of all...

Then every Hebrew from Abraham's children onward are in hell.

We do not follow the Law...We follow Jesus...

And Yeshua said to keep Torah.

[...]We do not follow the law because the law condemns...And there is no condemnation in those who trust in Jesus as their Savior...

Hmmm... Well, there is this:

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

These should be a caution. How many here have prophesied? Cast out demons? yet these folks, powerful in the Lord by our standards, were called 'workers of iniquity' (that means 'without Torah' in Hebrew-speak).

Did they not think the same?

People who follow (are subject to) the law do it out of fear...Fear of the consequences...

Why would you say that when I have made my motives crystal clear?

Our command is to love Jesus and love our neighbor, NOT to follow the law...

That isn't true. Nowhere does it say not to keep Torah. And HOW to love God, and HOW to love your neighbor is contained in Torah.

And by loving Jesus and our neighbor we will have fulfilled the law...If I love my neighbor, I will not murder him; I will not steal from him; I will not covet anything he has...

No disagreement there...

I do not fear the consequences of the law since Jesus paid the price for my failure to perfectly live up to the law...

Neither do I... But that doesn't mean I ain't trying...

[roamer_1:] All the world will keep Torah, to include the Sabbath and the Holy Days.

And if we don't, then what???

In that context, those who don't will get no rain.

[roamer_1:] Indeed. He has said it is those who keep his commandments AND have the testimony of Yeshua the Messiah that are his own.

And yet, Jesus says,

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

That's before we even have a chance (or not) to follow his commandments...

Not quite. funny thing about 'heareth'... to a Hebrew, that would be 'sh'ma or shema' and means something way closer to 'hear and do'... Might be good for you to study on that. It is an important concept.

If you shoe horn every thing back into the Old Testament, nothing fits...And no one can make it fit unless one starts adding a word here or taking away a word there from the scriptures...

To the contrary - I think everything fits a whole lot better. You just have to step outside of your well-worn paradigm and 'hear'.

1,005 posted on 07/07/2014 6:56:20 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
You just have to step outside of your well-worn paradigm and 'hear'.

HMMMmmm...

1,007 posted on 07/07/2014 7:12:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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