Really?
Paul is not GOD.
Posted on 06/24/2014 2:13:28 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
I read your responses, and find them unconvincing. However, in the interest of amicable endings of questionable endeavors, I will only wish you a good night, in all sincerity.
Peace,
SR
No one will be in hell because of Gill just as no one will be because of any false teaching - God is able to shine the light of truth to those hearts diligently seeking Him. You want to pretend you aren't relying upon the opinions of men (i.e., Armstrong, Russell, Rood, White, et al)? I quoted Gill because he explained the meaning behind the FULL quote of Paul WRT "justified by the law".
I did not contradict myself.
Sure you did and you continue to do so by your insistence that ONLY obedience to the Law of Moses (your version of it anyway) is what justifies one to be saved at the end of ones' life. You say ONLY this obedience counts if one really loves Jesus and you have to love Jesus and obey His commandments if you will be saved. You mock the sinner's prayer where a truly contrite sinner admits his lost condition and surrenders to the mercy and grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ to redeem him, when Scripture tells us that this IS the only way anyone CAN be saved. It is NOT by our works of righteousness nor works of the law but purely by the grace of God.
If we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in our heart that God raised him from the dead, we will be saved, Scripture says. That and hundreds more like it assure us of the grace of God available to all who trust in Christ and we thereby know we HAVE eternal life in Christ. Like I said, we are saved by grace THROUGH faith and NOT works - neither the Law or works of love or any other commandments. We do not and never could deserve or merit everlasting life - it is a GIFT of God.
As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk.
They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me. (I Timothy 1:3-11)
Paul is not GOD.
I'm sorry that we have no high sounding name like MAGISTERIUM or something like it; just North American General Conference.
I'm also sorry we don't have a process of getting ANNULMENTS instead of a divorce.
I'm also sorry that NONE of the stuff you've DISCOVERED has ANYTHING to do with a persons salvation.
Do I have to respond to EVERYTHING someone ELSE says in these threads?
I guess my personal eyerolls, in the privacy of my own home are not good enough...
And then there is that pesky letter found in Acts chapter 15...
And so the progressive Protestant descent into apostasy continues; supporting the ordination of women because the chosen vessel of God to teach the Gentiles how to be genuine Christians is not God, and therefore can be ignored. I read your responses, and find them unconvincing.
After all, why should murder, pharmakea, adultery, and apostasy interfere with one's right to choose a personal relationship with whomever they see fit however they see fit.
Galatians 5:12
You may find it refers to another thread, which if you find, may relieve the confusion.
Yes, I know Galatians 5:12; what I don’t know is what you believe about it or why your brief post was “Gal 5:12.” Does that mean you believe in apostolic authority in Galatians and not Timothy ? Is it a cafeteria ?
Yes, First Council at Jerusalem, where blessed Peter stood up and exercised the keys of the kingdom of heaven, but what I'm unsure if is what that means to the Wesleyan Church and why you posted it to me. Is that really part of the Wesleyan argument to ordain women ? I would not be shocked if feminists try to use it to avoid Paul's authority.
I am convinced that you do not know Yeshua.
This constant false posting cannot come from anyone that knows him.
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>> “If you shoe horn every thing back into the Old Testament, nothing fits” <<
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If you remove one syllable from the scriptures, nothing fits!
Paul made it quite clear in Hebrews 3 that the gospel that he preached was exactly the same gospel that Moses preached.
We have many here that make it a personal profession to twist Paul’s complicated sentences into a rejection of Torah, but it won’t work for those that have any reading comprehension at all.
Following Satan is a dead future.
>> “And then there is that pesky letter found in Acts chapter 15” <<
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Yes, the one whose meaning you constantly invert, so that you can do your cloven-hoofed father’s work.
As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith.
So am I to infer that you consider Torah to be 'false doctrines, myths, and endless genealogies'?
They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me. (I Timothy 1:3-11)
SO... The law is there for those who break the law... and the law they break is Torah. So conversely, as an element of illumination: Those who don't need the law are those who do not break it - Those who keep Torah, yes?
What was that about a group ignoring Paul, again?
Do you suppose it would be safe to assume that this ms. Malone teaches the teachers that then influence those who "teach" priests? She does have a body of writings. Since she is the approved Admin, then unless there is some sort of specific comment or correction to her works -- would those not stand in the eyes of faculty & students as carrying approval from the highest levels of teaching "Magesterium"?
She is chief administrator there, regardless, and will regardless influence very many.
What is more powerfully influential -- single pulpits here and there, or those behind the scenes who instruct those who will eventually be behind pulpits themselves, or else instruct and train the theologians who will then influence others from position of [Vatican-approved!] authority?
Which means that for yourself AV, when pointing the finger at another and claiming "apostasy!" there are a few fingers as it were, in your very own hand, pointing right back at you.
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