Did Paul invent or hijack Christianity?

Madison Ruppert ^ | 06/24/2014

[SeekAndFind]

RE: Acts 15 shows the apostles commissioned Paul and gave him authority

Yep, and Peter himself, one of the disciples closest to Christ EQUATES Paul’s epistles to SCRIPTURE.

“14 Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. 15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures” ( 2 Peter 3:14-16 )

[SeekAndFind]

Well, Peter himself, one of the disciples closest to Christ EQUATES Paul’s epistles to SCRIPTURE.

“14 Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. 15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures” ( 2 Peter 3:14-16 )

[WVKayaker]

Which pamphlet did that come out of?

Why do you say such things?

2 Peter 2: 2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. ...

It is not true.

2 Timothy 3: 15 ... you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

[Tucker39]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the writer might do well to actually READ the New Testament, and Acts 9 in particular. God arrested Paul, nee Saul, when he was enroute to Damascus to wreak additional havoc on Christianity, as was his wont at the time.

Immediately after Paul’s surrender to Christ, God sent Annanias to meet Paul, stating that Paul was “a chosen instrument to proclaim my Name to the gentiles, their kings, and to Israel. I will show him (Paul) how much he must suffer for my Name.” Acts 9:15. NIV To my understanding, Paul had no choice in the matter. God “volunteered” him, and he could refuse at his own peril!

This kind of silly, trumped up faux dispute on a subject such as this is exactly the kind of “vain disputation” God warns us not to waste time discussing.

[Salvation]

http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=1351

St. Ananias II

Missionary, martyr, and patron of St. Paul. A Christian in the city of Damascus, Ananias was commanded by Christ in a vision to seek out Saul, the future Paul, who had staggered his way into the city following his dramatic encounter with the Lord on the road to Damascus. Finding Saul blind, Ananias cured him and baptized him. After seeing Paul start his missionary work, Ananias went to Eleutheropolis, where he was martyred for the faith.

[zencycler]

Simply put, if Paul had no personal connection with Jesus, then neither does anyone else living today.

[Tucker39]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the writer might do well to actually READ the New Testament, and Acts 9 in particular. God arrested Paul, nee Saul, when he was enroute to Damascus to wreak additional havoc on Christianity, as was his wont at the time.

Immediately after Paul’s surrender to Christ, God sent Annanias to meet Paul, stating that Paul was “a chosen instrument to proclaim my Name to the gentiles, their kings, and to Israel. I will show him (Paul) how much he must suffer for my Name.” Acts 9:15. NIV To my understanding, Paul had no choice in the matter. God “volunteered” him, and he could refuse at his own peril!

This kind of silly, trumped up faux dispute on a subject such as this is exactly the kind of “vain disputation” God warns us not to waste time discussing.

[Salvation]

Amen!

[Jemian]

Christianity is the result of a covenant between the Godhead planned out before the foundation of the world was ever laid. The Bible, indeed all of history, is an unfolding, revelation, of that plan.

[Salvation]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3171859/posts?page=45#45

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

“Christianity/Catholicism was founded by Jesus Christ on the Apostles, the first Bishops.”

Are you saying that if it is not ‘Catholicism’ it is not ‘Christian’?

[Salvation]

Why are you mindreading Bryan24

Let him answer my question, please.

[Salvation]

The headline said Christianity. Just trying to stick with the subject.

[maine-iac7]

Paul "jailed" by the Romans - not behind bars - but 'house arrest' in his mansion in Rome - things were a bit heated between him and the true Leaders of the church= this gave cool off time - and gave him space. But, as often happens with double agents, when they are of no use any longer to the realm, but know too much, they are 'eliminated' - in the case of Paul - his Crucifixion/death also was a boon to the Church - solidifying him and his teachings - which are, often, in conflict with Jesus' teaching.

I have what they call "The Jefferson Bible" - Jefferson was a learned and brilliant man. He detested Paul. He took scissors and past and cut out all the sayings/teachings of just Jesus and pasted them in a book. I have that and another book titled:"His Words" - which is basically the same as Jefferson's. I believe, with Jefferson and others that Jesus taught what His Gospel is - If we spend our lives studying and understanding and applying what HE taught, we need no other. To me, it seems ludicrous that people call Jesus God and Son of God and yet think He didn't - in 3 years of teaching before He died and then the concentrated teaching after the Crucifixion and before the Ascension - give us what we need to understand how to live His Way - that, in other words, He, & God, failed - and His hand chosen, personally taught disciples and Apostles failed. Why did the Apostles, in the beginning, call Paul a 'False Prophet?" And why did Paul dismiss them as all but irrelevant?

[married21]

Paul bothers me sometimes. His writing can be convoluted and frustrating to read.

But a guy who writes :
“Love is patient and kind. It is not jealous or boastful..etc., ....” (paraphrase, sorry).

That’s a guy filled with the Holy Spirit.
That’s a guy following the Way.

Paul’s not a highjacker.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: things were a bit heated between him and the true Leaders of the church= this gave cool off time - and gave him space

What historical source wrote that?

Here is what Peter wrote in his last epistle to the church in opposition to that:

15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. (2 Peter 3:15-16 )

Peter himself EQUATED Paul’s letters to the church with SCRIPTURE. So, if there was any “heat” between him and the other leaders ( and Peter was arguably one of their foremost leaders), that did not seem to be reflected in Peter’s last epistle.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: I have what they call “The Jefferson Bible” - Jefferson was a learned and brilliant man

Jefferson might be a brilliant man, but I don’t think it is wise to subscribe to his “cut and paste” type of Christianity.

He might be an authority in the founding principles of this country, but he isn’t to be referred to when it comes to the foundation of Christianity.

[maine-iac7]

Exactly - Paul and the Jewish hierarchy, were infuriated that Jesus taught women were equal, that he taught them directly, made them teachers, healers and disciples.

That was a great threat to the power structure, to keeping women subjugated.

And Rome, after ten years with their agent, Paul, slaughtering every follower they could find, realized they weren't succeeding. So - double agent: destroy from within.

Paul served both entities well.

I remember, over 30 years ago, in my investigative reporter days, infiltrating and "NO PRESS" meeting of the DSOC - Democrat Socialist Organizing Committee where they emphasized they were not powerful enough to come out as Socialists and that their new strategy would be to "infiltrate and take over the Democrat Party" Who can argue their success?

Times change. People don't.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

“The headline said Christianity. Just trying to stick with the subject.”

Ah, but you did not stick to the subject...you brought in ‘Catholicism’. And you also did not answer my question.

[statered]

.?? Jefferson's edits mostly took out the miracles.