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In Catholic circles, some men [priests] left over the Church not “changing with the times”, which explains a large part of the exodus and going to the Episcopalians, ELCA Lutherans and Methodists provided both a more liberal theology on those moral questions and a liturgical approach to worship.

It would be interesting if the data included evangelical churches, but it only included five mainline Protestant Churches (Congregational, Episcopal, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian), while most lay converts to Prot. are to evangelical churches*.

And not due to desire for more liberal doctrine, but overall due to spiritual deficiency they found in Rome.

But that RC priests - which the Holy Spirit never titles NT pastors, and which is a result of imposed functional equivalence, and with the defense of that title relying on etymological fallacy - would be more likely to convert to these liberal mainline denoms is to be expected, since these are the most like Rome, and perhaps they can be easily recognized as a "priest" in some.

*68% of those raised Roman Catholic still are Catholic (higher than the retention rates of individual Protestant denoms, but less than Jews at 76%). 15% are now Protestant (9% evangelical); 14% are unaffiliated. Pew forum, Faith in Flux (April 27, 2009) http://pewforum.org/uploadedfiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/fullreport.pdf


30 posted on 06/24/2014 7:30:50 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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daniel1212:

We have been down the priest [presbyter] discussion before. Most of the Catholics who go evangelical are “make up your on religion Catholics” and tend to be very poorly catechized Catholics and if truth be told, many are divorced Catholics who remarried and did not like to be told they could not receive Communion in the Catholic Church, so they go to a evangelical church and are told to call the altar [or something to that effect] and they are now once saved always saved protestants and many of those types never really at their core leave Catholic Church as many of them continue to vent over leaving it or attack the faith of their ancestors. I do believe in many instances the happiness they project in their new found evangelical protestant faith is a façade.

And nothing in those statistics is inconsistent with what I stated. I was only referring to Catholic priests and where they go when they leave. Very few go to fundamentalist or evangelical protestant groups.

As for Catholic laity, that is a whole different discussion. It seems as many go unaffiliated as Protestant 14% to 15% and of those that go Protestant 40% go mainline and 60% go evangelical. But in total, of the 29% of Catholics who left [lets say 29% of 1,000 to use a number] would give you 290 Catholics, 140 of those are basically atheist or agnostic [unaffiliated] 60 are mainline-liberal protestants, so that is 200 and the other 90 or evangelical, so about 69% of former Catholics who leave go to more liberal directions, atheist-unaffiliated or mainline-liberal Protestantism. Catholic Clergy almost exclusively go that direction, i.e. towards liberal Protestantism [Episcopalians, ELCA Lutherans, Methodist].

In summary, those statistics don’t surprise me at all an confirm what would be my ex ante predictions.


36 posted on 06/24/2014 8:46:35 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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