If nothing matters unless a pope is saying it, stop quoting other sources, especially those with whom you disagree.
Put up or shut-up, quote me a Pope who says pectoral crosses can be passed out like gifts to laypeople.
Show me a pope who has countermanded the canons of the Council of Lacodicea.
Don't try quoting anybody else, because you've said, "nothing matters unless a pope is saying it."
You wrote: “If nothing matters unless a pope is saying it, stop quoting other sources, especially those with whom you disagree.”
Your reasoning is completely false – as almost always. It is amazing how you continuously shift the argument to false grounds out of what seems like desperation.
“Put up or shut-up, quote me a Pope who says pectoral crosses can be passed out like gifts to laypeople.”
All I had to do is show you that they had given them as gifts to non-Catholics. If it had been done by them – and it has - then that means they don’t view it as a problem nor are they de facto saying “You have valid orders”.
“Show me a pope who has countermanded the canons of the Council of Lacodicea.”
The canon has nothing to do with this therefore I don’t have to show you anything about it. It was more than enough that I showed you the canon – from the current Code of Canon Law which shows the pope is sovereign.
“Don’t try quoting anybody else, because you’ve said, “nothing matters unless a pope is saying it.””
Taking my quote out of context does nothing but embarrass you. Making yourself look less than able to actually make or handle an argument is not helping your cause here.
“Another falsehood. Your source “asked” in a positive way if these heretical laymen are, “effective ministers of the Holy Ghost and to be recognized as being in communion with the corpus of ministers who have the duty to build up the body of Christ.”
Doesn’t matter. I wasn’t citing the author for his personal view – which is completely irrelevant since we’re discussing the Church. I cited him because he acknowledged what was already known – recent popes have given pectoral crosses as gifts without any formal statement from the Church that the receivers held valid orders.
“Nowhere did he mention, “not having valid orders” as you have stated.”
He didn’t have to. Everyone here knows that no statement has come from the Church saying, “Yeah, you guys all have valid orders after all.” The very fact that no statement like that has come but the gifts have been given shows there is no thought “valid orders” recognition for these folks in the Church. This was reinforced when Anglicans were accepted into the Church and their ministers were ordained. It will be again if LCMS members come into the Church through an ordinariate as well.
“Good point. Now think about this: it was I who posted a photo of Pope Benedict presenting a pectoral cross to a laymen. You said it was not a sign of recognizing Anglican orders. You then brought in your nutty theologian who agrees with me, not you, on the significance of giving a pectoral cross to someone. Finally, I claim Anglicans don’t have valid orders, your source implies they do have valid orders, and you refuse to state your position on the matter.”
Answer my question and I’ll answer yours. Why do you consistently make things up?