Posted on 06/21/2014 5:38:39 AM PDT by piusv
It is not remotely surprising that the Archbishop of Canterbury should desire to bless the Pope of Rome, but the humble attitude of His Holiness in accepting it has caused something of a stir among Roman Catholic traditionalists:
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"Post links to posts in the same thread?" I've been doing that for years when I want someone to note a particular part of the conversation. For instance #14
"Switch prayer for blessing"? I take it a blessing is a type of prayer. If it were not, it would have no power to bless.
There are no doubt special liturgical blessings. I can't bless wedding rings or give a nuptial blessing. But I can say "God bless you" and that's a blessing, too.
I think it comes down to the individual's view of whether it is Biblically okay for a layperson to pray directly to God, or whether they instead believe there must be an "official" intercessor, such as a living member of a given priesthood or clergy, or a designated saint. Further, it depends on how active they are in prayer and seeking the Holy Spirit in their daily lives.
If a Christian individual follows the exhortations in James to have an active prayer life, and they pray daily without just moving their lips or repeating words they have memorized, but from their hearts with trust and intimacy, then they are more likely to accept any Christian prayers, Jewish prayers -- any that are, as you say, well intended. (I'm making an exception here for that religion that plays "gotcha" and will only pray for the other person to convert to their belief -- or else!)
Muslims bless each others, too. Do you think that does them any good?
Thank-you for the wasted link; but I do know how to scroll up to post 14. I’m not as lazy as some.
As the "people" being lectured I have something to say at this point: I called a priest who initially said it was no big deal but then I asked him what if the pope gave him a pectoral cross and he about choked. He also agreed with me that the blessing issue of this week was a bigger deal than the whole pectoral cross kerfuffle.
I want to make certain that vlad understands that I am now, and have been, quite well aware that the gift of a pectoral cross does not have anything to do with conferring the Sacrament of Holy Orders, specifically the elevation of a cleric to the episcopacy.
Oh, and that I find him insulting and pompous no matter what religious beliefs we may have in common.
“No. You said giving a pectoral cross to someone was no different than giving a rosary to someone.”
Nope. That’s not what I said. I said, “Giving a rosary to a Protestant does not mean you recognize them as a Catholic. Think.”
You’re apparently still not doing that last part.
“You are wrong, yet you have to the gall to lecture people on “what every Catholic should know”.”
I am absolutely right - and in your own way you’re working overtime to prove it when you can’t get what I said right.
“Are you calling me a sedevacantist? If so, prove it.”
Are you a sedevacantist?
“Oh, and that I find him insulting and pompous no matter what religious beliefs we may have in common.”
I might be insulting, but not pompous. I can live with it. So can you.
Pope Francis refused to give a public blessing to an audience for fear of offending non-believers; yet he runs around asking for public blessings from heretics.
Discuss please, class.
No. I am not.
Thanks.
That makes logical sense.
But I don't know if it's germane to this particular discussion, since I gather there's nobody here who doesn't think it's "Biblically okay for a layperson to pray directly to God."
Did I miss soemthing? (It's always possible...)
So I think this particular discussion probably revolves around whether it was a designated liturgical blessing, or on the other hand, an ordinary blessing such as anyone could do. As I said elsewhere, I can't give the nuptial blessing given by the priest or deacon at the Sacrament of Matrimony, but I can certainly say "God bless you 10,000 times!" or any other blessing I feel needs to be said!
BTW, my Confirmation Name, Benedicta, is by happy coincidence a pun in Latin: it means both "Blessed" and "Well spoken" ...Bene-dicta. :o) .. a hopeful thought!
It depends on whether they are praying to the One True God. God will read their hearts, because only He can probe people’s interior dispositions.
It saves a moment of time, though, and is intended to show courtesy: like opening the door for someone who is perfectly capable of opening their own door. Unlike some haughty feminists, I’m not offended by that, either. I appreciate good intent.
They’re not praying to the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost; so, “No”, they are not praying to the One True God. Neither are the Jews.
Lumen Gentium is just plain wrong in this regard.
Link? Where he explains his motivation?
We can judge objective observable things ("That man says he does not believe Jesus is the Son of God") --- We do not read souls. That's why neither of us will be the Judge of Souls. Thank God.
Tagline.
Noted. But I can find a post in any given thread by the time it takes one to post a link to it. Like I said, it’s a stupid thing to do.
Search engines are your friends.
You’re welcome.
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