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To: af_vet_1981
The text says the foundation is the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself bring the chief cornerstone. Jesus said to Peter 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Jesus chose Peter as both foundation and steward with an awesome power and responsibility.

I'm not sure how you get from "the apostles and prophets" to then "built on Peter alone". I'm not sure how you get from all of the apostles given the power to bind and loose to the "Peter alone can bind and loose". Jesus said he would give the keys to Peter, but he did not say Peter alone. If the power of the keys is to bind and loose, and all of the apostles have that power, what does that imply?

in I Corinthians 3, Paul is very clear. "I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

Peter is foundation. Paul is foundation. The foundation is laid and others are building upon it. The Roman Catholic Church is not foundation. The popes are not foundation. The foundation has been laid and others are building on it.

In Romans 15, Paul writes "and thus I make it my ambition to preach the gospel, not where Christ has already been named, lest I build on someone else's foundation,". Paul laid a foundation where none existed before. He didn't build on Peter. The churches he founded built upon the foundation Paul laid, which is Christ Jesus. Those churches did not build on Peter.

Again, the foundation is not Peter alone. The power to bind and loose was not given to Peter alone.

117 posted on 06/19/2014 10:20:41 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: Tao Yin
I'm not sure how you get from "the apostles and prophets" to then "built on Peter alone". I'm not sure how you get from all of the apostles given the power to bind and loose to the "Peter alone can bind and loose".

Why do you write quotes for your comments to try to make them seem like mine when I did not make those quoted comments ? That seems disrespectful and dishonest.

124 posted on 06/19/2014 8:11:24 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: Tao Yin
If your theory is built on the premise that there is no holy catholic apostolic church, ie., no universal church containing all believers that ever will be because it has not been called out into assembly yet then you follow the Independent Fundamentalist doctrine. There is no body of Christ except in the generic sense; each local New Testament Baptist Church is the body of Christ and Ephesians 2 , as well as all the other verses about the church only apply to a local church. A church can only be birthed from an apostle like Paul, Peter, etc. or missionary from an existing genuine NT church. Is that what you believe ?

19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

125 posted on 06/19/2014 8:19:39 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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