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To: dartuser; Petronius
Peter cannot say one thing and Paul another ...

On that we agree.

If Peter is saying baptism is required for salvation, how can you possibly harmonize the Romans 10 passage (and an absolutely huge array of other passages) that do not mention baptism at all?

In brief, because the mere absence of something in Scripture doesn't necessarily imply it isn't required and/or found elsewhere in Scripture. In other words I'm not saying (and I don't think the Church does either) that one Scriptural verse or passage contains all that is required for salvation.

Salvation is a life time process. It seems to me many Protestants/non-Catholic Christians want to make it into a one time event but it's not. Hence, there isn't going to be one Scripture passage that contains all that is required for salvation.

No, Baptism is required, belief and acceptance of Jesus as one's Lord and Savior is required, and repentence of sin is required. All are required for salvation but you won't find all those teachings wrapped up in one single verse or passage. They are taught in different areas, granted, but not one passage.

I do not wish to debate this with you though, so if you have any final thoughts you'd like to share along these lines (what is required for salvation) feel free to share. I'm far more interested in how you are going to answer Petronius' question: Where do you find in Scripture that the Scriptures are sufficient for salvation?

Because while you will find the requirements I listed above in Scripture, you won't find answers to such questions like "are we eternally secure or can our salvation be lost?"

At least this is my contention (and I'd wager Petronius' as well although he can correct me if I'm mistaken).

So I look forward to your reply.

62 posted on 06/10/2014 11:47:15 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven
you won't find answers to such questions like "are we eternally secure or can our salvation be lost?"

The same is true of OSAS ... the scriptures cannot teach OSAS and 'you can loose it' ...

I have always found the passages used to argue 'you can loose it' to be obscure.

If regeneration is a work of the Holy Spirit, which the scriptures say is a miracle and is wrought by the power of God ... where in scripture do you find the process whereby I as a mere human can undo my own regeneration?

Jesus said that some demons cannot come out except by His power through prayer and fasting ... I don't have the power to combat demons ... yet I am to believe that I DO have the power to throw out the Holy Spirit from within me ... in my own power I can undo the miracle of regeneration?

If you could loose eternal life, it cannot be eternal.

I have never had anyone of the Arminian persuasion explain this sufficiently to me. It always come down to the Hebrews passage; which no two interpreters in all of church history agree on.

65 posted on 06/10/2014 12:08:55 PM PDT by dartuser
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