Posted on 06/02/2014 3:21:30 PM PDT by NYer
No.
All that Yeshua has fulfilled is the spring feasts.
75% remains to be fulfilled.
Torah is the gospel of the kingdom, then, now and until the end of the universe. That is what Yeshua emphatically asserted in Matthew 5, and he never lied.
Torah is our “instruction in righteousness.”
Scripture always meant the Tanach in the NT.
Judas was not a believer.
To believe as the word is used in Yehova’s word is to accept and obey all that he said and commanded.
Falsehood.
They always say that, yet I have never seen proof that Prods added anything to Scripture.
They must have some sort of apologetics class in the basement of the Knights of Columbus hall on Thursday nights that puts out talking points like this.
You are delusional. Children's bread is not the Body of Christ. Idiotic response. And I apologize to all the idiots out there.
Try using logic and reason.
Show me the Scripture that relates children's bread to the body of Christ.
It is too early to be drinking.
There are social organizations that can help you with that.
; )
The claim is not the point. it is the PROOF of the claim that matters.
Starting with the unbroken line of papal authority, I think that is self evident. You are delusional
One is poor and persecuted, the other is rich, material, and drunk.
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Methinks drunk is the operative word.
But your church does not teach the truth.
Says you
Hard to have a discussion with irrational ramblings.
Well, it does matter. If you suggest there is no Church that goes back to Christ's promise that His Church will not be destroyed, Christ was a liar. You sound like a Mormon, where the Church needed a restoration.
Your faith in the atoning blood of Christ ALONE saves you. Works do NOT!!! After you are SAVED, God expects you to WORK. But works alone will NEVER ATONE for your sins.
Ephesians 5:8-9... For by GRACE are ye saved, through FAITH, and that NOT OF YOURSELF! IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD; NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. (emphasis added)
There can be no more explicit statement than that. Works are important AFTER CHRIST ALONE SAVES YOU. But only then, not before. Anything else someone preaches to you is a lie and nothing more. ANYTHING.
Nobody calls communion a *cookie* except Catholics who want to disparage non-Catholics.
Water baptism is not necessary and it’s not a tradition. There’s Scriptural support for that position.
Calvin’s *TULIP* is based on Scripture, not claimed extra Biblical revelation.
The church is visible and invisible. It exists visibly by the individuals who are the body of Christ, and it is not visible because it’s a spiritual building, not located anywhere in space or time.
Christ is building His church on the Rock, Himself, just as he said.
Faith alone is found in Ephesians 2:8-9 because we are saved by grace through faith in Christ and not of works. That is faith alone.
None of those things you listed can’t be found in the Bible.
Faith saves.
Works confirm that that salvation faith is real.
God, over the ages, has commanded a lot of what He told us to be written down.
Jesus said that Gods word is truth.
Yes, Jesus did tell people to write things down. Revelation 1 has Jesus commanding John to write down what was revealed to him by Him.
I don’t believe that Christ’s church is built on a book or Peter. It’s build on Jesus.
So the personal attacks begin.
Chalk it up as a win.
You made your valid point.
Judas didn't believe that Jesus was real? He walked with the God/man for almost 3 years. Try again.
“Please check the Greek and the original Latin Vulgate.”
I read and write Greek. I checked. The Latin Vulgate is just a translation and not an “original.”
Even if true, Mary didn't get any divine cells...She received the cells of a human body, just like her own...One susceptible to aging and death...
“Latin translation which says “ave gratia plena “Hail full of grace.’””
Which is a false translation.
“The biblical Greek word used by the angel kecharito¯mene¯ is rightly translated as “full of grace,” it is the perfect passive participle of the Greek word charitoo¯ which means, “to grace.””
Not an accurate translation. In Greek, it means “highly favored.”
“Mary was “full of grace” because the Lord is united with her, “the Lord is with thee” as the angel added.”
No friend. She was highly favored by God. She was not “full of grace.” That is simply making Mary into an idol.
That makes him a saint.
Angels are never referred to as saints in the scriptures...Therefore Gabriel is not a saint...
“But this is exactly what you have done, and this was the Protestant ‘reformation’ – breaking away after 1,500 years from the Church Christ established.”
No I have added nothing. I don’t care about the historical Protestant reformation at all. I care about what God revealed in His Word.
“Paul warned us about those introducing false teachings,”
Frankly, if catholics or the Roman Church cared at all about that warning, they would lose more than half of what they believe.
“The protestant “reformation” is simply not Biblical:”
You can hold whatever opinion you desire. I believe it is a false opinion you are advocating.
The roman church created divisions by insisting everyone bow their knee to the pope.
“You could easily read the above as “One of you says, “I follow Luther”; another, “I follow Calvin”; another, “I follow Wesley”; still another, “I follow Christ.””
There you go again FRiend. How do Luther and Calvin get away with living rent free in the heads of catholics?
“Christians cannot be “perfectly united in mind and thought” when they have different beliefs on, say, the necessity of water baptism, while others believe “This is my Body” means “This is a cookie””
Sure they can. That you cannot see it does not mean they are not united in Christ.
“There can be only one ‘Truth’ – Christ is THE way, THE truth, THE life. One, not many.”
I agree there is one. It does not further your argument.
“And what if you have a disagreement with a brother as to what is ‘The Truth?’ Where do you go to resolve your issue? Scripture tells us what to do:”
I would do what Scripture says and go to my local assembly.
“So which Church? Try the one that has been around since year 33.”
The one that is directly connected as generation #1 to Christ - every single assembly that entrusts themselves to Christ alone for salvation - apart from works of righteousness that are called filthy rags by God.
God has no grandchildren.
“Not the many that were created 1,500 years later.”
God stands outside time and could care less about dates. His nation of Israel predated the Church by millennia. He was recognized and worshiped by Adam and Eve, by Noah and others long before that.
“Seriously, how can a church created 1,500 years or more removed from the Apostles know the TRUTH?”
Finally, a good question. Thank you! God wrote down all that it takes for salvation and maturity in His assemblies. We call it the Bible.
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