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Is Holy Communion Real or Symbolic?
Catholic in the Ozarks ^ | June 2, 2014 | Shane Schaetzel

Posted on 06/02/2014 3:21:30 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Salvation

Catholics have a thousand gods, beads, icons, statues, buildings, dead humans, etc.


381 posted on 06/04/2014 9:14:20 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Your ideas are wrong.

Catholics have one Triune God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Second time I’ve posted this.


382 posted on 06/04/2014 9:17:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: verga
So according to you Jesus Himself is a metaphor, since God said "This is my Son...." If that is not what you believe then please explain how Grammatically "This is My Body..." is different than "This is My Son..." Don't answer the question YOU want to answe3r, please answer the exact question I am asking.

As Jesus would say, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?". Jesus is not a metaphor, Jesus sometimes USED metaphors. Here's a simple explanation to your false "grammar" comparison. Jesus IS the Son of God. The bread used in the Lord's Supper ordinance IS NOT the literal flesh and blood of Jesus, the Son of God. Two DIFFERENT things. Jesus IS the bread of Life, the Water of Life, the Chief Shepherd, the Branch, the Cornerstone, the Door, the Great High Priest, the Horn of Salvation, the Lamb of God, the Light of the World, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Morning Star, Our Passover, the Rock, the Root of David, the Rose of Sharon, the Son of David, the Sun of Righteousness, the True Vine, as well as many others.

I seriously doubt my answer will be acceptable, but it is my answer to your "exact" question.

383 posted on 06/04/2014 9:40:10 PM PDT by boatbums (Proud member of the Free Republic Bible Thumpers Brigade.)
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To: verga; Iscool
Catholics remember the crucifixion by the crucifix. Empty cross for an empty religion.

Empty cross = resurrected Savior

384 posted on 06/04/2014 10:09:55 PM PDT by boatbums (Proud member of the Free Republic Bible Thumpers Brigade.)
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To: verga; Gamecock
we will add yours to the growing list of prots that didn’t/ couldn’t/ wouldn’t answer the question.

Except there are PLENTY of "Prots" that DID, COULD, WOULD and HAVE answered that question - you just refused to accept them. HUGE difference!

385 posted on 06/04/2014 10:13:55 PM PDT by boatbums (Proud member of the Free Republic Bible Thumpers Brigade.)
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To: JPX2011; CodeToad


386 posted on 06/04/2014 10:32:37 PM PDT by boatbums (Proud member of the Free Republic Bible Thumpers Brigade.)
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To: boatbums

387 posted on 06/04/2014 10:37:57 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: JPX2011

As there is no Scriptural evidence to back up your claim, as there would be if God had made any exceptions to Romans 3:23, where it says “...for ALL have sinned and come short of the Glory of God...” (emphasis added), I will aacept His Word over yours. Mary, as nice as she was, and deserving of our great respect for being the mother of my Lord, WAS HUMAN, thus a sinner. God did save her by HIS Grace, probably at the moment she said “Yes” to the angel, but Scripture admits of NO EXCEPTIONS (save the Christ, ALONE) to Romans 3:23 and to ALL the Scriptual references to sinful mankind. None. So how is Mary different and no mention is made of it?


388 posted on 06/04/2014 11:02:22 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE!!!)
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To: Salvation; surveyor; metmom; boatbums

***Catholics have one Triune God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.***

With Mary right in the center.


389 posted on 06/05/2014 3:19:38 AM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: JPX2011; dcwusmc
No. Our Blessed Mother was full of sanctifying grace from the moment of her conception until her Assumption into heaven.

Then why doesn't God do that for all believers? Why not protect us all from sin and it's consequences. If He could do it for Mary, He could do it for all of us. It would save the world a lot of grief.

She was protected by God from the stain of Original Sin as a special grace of Christ.

Baloney. SHE recognized that she needed a savoir, an admission on her part of her sin. If she was sinless then she did not need a savior and therefore would have been lying when she called God her savoir. Ooops.

Christ observes the 4th commandment to honor His mother. He does this perfectly as Jesus was perfect. Which is why Mary was full of grace.

Is that what passes for logic in Catholic circles?

Jesus' ability to perfectly obey His mother was due to His inherent nature, not hers and his actions in perfect obedience are not why she was full of grace.

390 posted on 06/05/2014 4:58:33 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Iscool
As believers, iscool, others, and I are blessed with the same grace with which Mary was blessed. The Holy Spirit tells us that in Ephesians.

Mary and Grace

The word grace used in this passage in Luke is used in one other place in the Bible and that is Ephesians 1 where Paul is us that with this same grace, God has blessed us (believers) in the Beloved. IOW, we all have access to that grace and it has been bestowed on us all.

http://biblehub.com/greek/5487.htm

Luke 1:28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!”

Ephesians 1:4-6 In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.

Greek word “grace”

charitoó: to make graceful, endow with grace

Original Word: χαριτόω

Part of Speech: Verb

Transliteration: charitoó

Phonetic Spelling: (khar-ee-to'-o)

Short Definition: I favor, bestow freely on

Definition: I favor, bestow freely on.

HELPS Word-studies

Cognate: 5487 xaritóō (from 5486 /xárisma, "grace," see there) – properly, highly-favored because receptive to God's grace. 5487 (xaritóō) is used twice in the NT (Lk 1:28 and Eph 1:6), both times of God extending Himself to freely bestow grace (favor).

Word Origin: from charis

Definition: to make graceful, endow with grace

NASB Translation: favored (1), freely bestowed (1).

391 posted on 06/05/2014 5:04:47 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: JPX2011; editor-surveyor
Our Blessed Mother's "Yes" to God echoes throughout all of eternity and salvation history.

God did not ask her permission.

The angel told her how it was going to be.

392 posted on 06/05/2014 5:06:26 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Dutchboy88; FatherofFive
WOW you change the topic with Fatheroffive and me on a regular basis.

Do you do it with all Catholics or just when you have been proven wrong?

393 posted on 06/05/2014 5:27:02 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: editor-surveyor
One has to be a human, and a believer in Yeshua to be a saint.

Documentation for the bold underlined part please.

And according to your limited criteria, Judas was a Saint.

394 posted on 06/05/2014 5:42:33 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: boatbums; FatherofFive
No it is not an answer, you are still hooked on the I AQM statements. The only people that think "is" does not mean "is" are liberals and protestants.

I am eternally grateful that I was dragged out of the intellectual darkness of Protestantism.

395 posted on 06/05/2014 5:45:39 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: boatbums

You need to go and actually study Greek.


396 posted on 06/05/2014 5:46:41 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: metmom

Where did you earn your degree from?


397 posted on 06/05/2014 5:48:23 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: metmom

Really so according to protestant belief, God raped Mary, was it rape, rape, or just rape.


398 posted on 06/05/2014 5:51:06 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: narses; boatbums
Twoferwon...


399 posted on 06/05/2014 6:01:03 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("Every American should feel outrage at any injustice done to our veterans " -Sarah Palin 5/26/14)
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To: verga; narses
I see you two are valiantly failing again!


400 posted on 06/05/2014 6:03:10 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("Every American should feel outrage at any injustice done to our veterans " -Sarah Palin 5/26/14)
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