Posted on 05/31/2014 11:09:11 AM PDT by ealgeone
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330
“OK, what about protestants who believe that Jesus was just a great teacher?”
Protestants do not believe that...
The Catholic Church recognizes other Christian Baptisms with the exception of Mormon and Jehovah’s Witnesses. Virtually all mainstream protestant churches baptize in the name of the Father and The Son and the Holly Spirit.
All goodness and truth wherever they are found, come from Him who is Goodness and Truth. Is that controversial?
Almost anyone who thinks hard about goodness and truth will consider what they are and how they come to be. Almost anyone who thinks about those things and who also thinks candidly about himself will have to acknowledge that he things goodness and truth are desirable and important, and that he is hardly ever good or true.
I think that's a wonderful preparation for the Gospel.
whose prophet is Burl Ives.
your amazing, where did you get all that intelligence.
Thank God you were raised in a Christian country and had Christian relatives.
Some people have Christian relatives from 1200 years ago and not since.
these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day...
so I guess when the catechism says together with us they adore the one, merciful God....that's not what it says??
Guess that is what happens when you rely upon tradition.
Show me any comparison where Jehovah and Allah are the same.
Ask any muslim if Jehovah and Allah are the same and you will quickly get a no.
Ping me when they do.
I can profess to be a housecat, but that doesn't make me one. Muslims deny the Trinity, deny that God has a Son, and deny the Crucifixion. The Koran says that if you believe Jesus is the Son of God, you do not recognize the true God.
Key doctrine aside, the Muslim form of heaven is a whorehouse where the reward consists of satisfying men's lust. The Islamic deity has no use for women, and is not portrayed as a loving Father.
There in no way on earth or in heaven that Islamics can be construed to worship the true God.
What a lovely Christian witness you present.
Thankks
“so I guess when the catechism says together with us they adore the one, merciful God....that’s not what it says??”
That is certainly not ALL that it says.
Your childish efforts to equate a sentence fragment to your nasty and false claims about what others believe represent a hideous example of either hate or immaturity at such a level that cannot possibly be reconciled to a claim to be a Christian in any reasonable sense of the word.
You have truly revealed yourself her for all to see. You should be terribly ashamed of yourself.
"whose prophet is Burl Ives."
lol
I’m sorry. I didn’t know you were United Methodist. I thought you were Catholic. I’ll withdraw my request.
Thanks narses; I believe I answered his question quite well ,tried to stay away from stirring anything up.
But when EagleOnee answered I then knew the question and thread was all about him and poisoning the well.
“I can profess to be a housecat, but that doesn’t make me one. Muslims deny the Trinity, deny that God has a Son, and deny the Crucifixion. The Koran says that if you believe Jesus is the Son of God, you do not recognize the true God.”
No kidding! Again, try reading the entire section. Note the HEADING:
The Church and non-Christians
REPEAT:
The Church and non-Christians
839 “Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.”325
The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 “the first to hear the Word of God.”327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”,328 “for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.”329
840 And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”330
842 The Church’s bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:
All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331
843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as “a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.”332
844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:
Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.333
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.
But there is only one of you. One is quite enough. And I, with my mistaken beliefs, and your friend, with his more accurate beliefs, respect the one narses.
There are very grave disagreements between the Catholic Church and Islam, in dogma and in the accompanying philosophies and moral codes. They are mistaken about God in important ways.
But they believe God is the creator, that he had a special relationship with Abraham, and that he will judge us all at the end of the world. We also believe that God is merciful and compassionate, though we obviously have very different ideas about what that means "on the ground."
There are not two gods who created all things, who loved Abraham, and who will judge at the end of time.
So Christians are, within the framework of this analogy, like God's best friend, while the Muslims are are ignorant and mistaken about him on many things.
The narses in my mind is not narses. The God in my mind is not God.
It does not seem hard to me to say that Christians and Muslims adore (pray to) the same God, but, wow, are they wrong about him!
Nailed it!
Never before have I been used to analogize God. An interesting experience. Thank you. I think.
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