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To: defconw
"Many have proved invincibly, from the sentiments of the Fathers - among others: St. Augustine, St. Ephrem, St. Cyril of Jerusalem, St. Germanus of Constantinople, St. John

Marian doctrine is wonderful and very spiritual. But not believing in it would not bar you from being saved. I believe that a great many people do not truly understand what the Catholic Church teaches. After all there is a great deal to know.

But then who is the Catholic Church??? Many of your church fathers claim Mary is necessary for salvation...

Damascene, St. Anselm, St. Bernard, St. Bernardine, St. Thomas, and St. Bonaventure - that devotion to Our Most Blessed Virgin is necessary for salvation, and that it is an infallible mark of reprobation to have no esteem or love for the Holy Virgin while, on the other hand, it is an infallible mark of predestination to be entirely and truly devoted to her." ST. LOUIS MARIE DE MONTFORT

"Mary is the whole hope of our salvation." ST. THOMAS AQUINAS

While some such as you say veneration to Mary is not necessary I've never seen a proclamation from you church claiming that...You have anything official on that???

304 posted on 05/29/2014 11:26:43 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

“While some such as you say veneration to Mary is not necessary I’ve never seen a proclamation from you church claiming that”

Any Catholic knows you can to the son a lot easier by going through His mother. Why are you concerning yourself with Mary. Did you convert?


307 posted on 05/29/2014 11:30:28 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus")
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To: Iscool; teppe
"Mary is the whole hope of our salvation." ST. THOMAS AQUINAS

Then why don't the MORMONs mention her?




In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)     http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng

328 posted on 05/29/2014 12:45:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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