Can Roman Catholics be saved? (Open)

Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry ^ | 2013 | Matt Slick

[WVKayaker]

Can Roman Catholics be saved? Yes they can but not if they adhere to Roman Catholic theology. Like anyone else, salvation is found only through faith in Christ alone. ...

[roamer_1]

Self-righteousness? No. Merely the realization that the secular attitude towards charity is pervasive in our society. To the point where it is espoused even among Christ's people. If we weren't in the religion forum we'd be talking about how you can't trust a single one of these scam artists or bums, etc. I don't think anyone can say this is not the common view.

I will reject that statement. Protestants prefer to 'teach a man to fish' - That is true. But when the man can't fish, then the aspect changes. As a survivor of a long term illness, I was a recipient of that charity... Some of it directly from church coffers, but much more in 100 dollar bills simply left inside my screen door. And more came in support of my wife who suddenly found herself the sole and primary provider of a family of six. Her income had to change drastically, and that 'teach a man to fish' aspect was in service. From a mini-van suddenly appearing in the driveway, to clients bolstering her newly formed business; many, many good Christian folks helped us out in the most wonderful sort of charity - Mostly anonymously, straight from the heart.

So by my personal testimony and witness, across YEARS as a direct recipient thereof, I can tell you without reservation that your criticism holds no water at all.

[roamer_1]

They were cousins. Read your footnotes and stop believing what someone tells you.

ROTFLMAO!!!! Do you see what you did there? LOL!

There was no Aramaic word for cousin, so the word ‘brother’ was used.

That is not true... and besides, they spoke Hebrew.

[roamer_1]

[NKP_Vet:] Scott Hahn was a Presbyterian minister and theologian. He converted to Catholicism and is now one of the world’s foremost Christian theologians.

[Iscool:] I've read some of his stuff...He perverts the scriptures like so many others who want the bible to say what it doesn't say...If that's a Christian theologian, you can have him...

I second that. I find him rather dry and shallow.

[boatbums]

Oh, you've done it now! Haven't you figured out that ONLY RCs are allowed to post such questions about “Protestants”? It's not even hypocrisy, either. ;o)

[boatbums]

I’m thinking of my reference in my previous post about salvation and free will. If you are Christ’s you will not be on the wrong side of the truth.

That is kinda what "he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love" (Eph. 1:4) means. ;o)

[boatbums]

YAWN

Yeah, kinda my thought when I saw your thread, "Can Protestants be saved?".

[JPX2011]

But that is exactly my point. The instinct is to favor a philosophical preference that is secular and comports with sound economics. Certainly nothing wrong with that from a conservative political perspective. However, the “charity” doesn’t begin until after an evaluation is done by those in a position to offer charity. That is what I’m objecting to.

The question being asked is not, “Can I...” but, “Should I...”

This does not relieve the recipient of the obligation to do what they can for themselves but it’s not our place to judge our acts of charity on that criteria. I’m sure you wouldn’t agree that the charity shown you was dependent on the presence of the ‘teach a man to fish’ effort on the part of your family.

And if my criticism holds no water I would suggest one take a gander through the rest of FR to see the prevalence of that thought held by so-called Christians whose first instinct is to ask, “What are they doing to help themselves?”

[Heart-Rest]

"I don’t think Matt Slick would mind if you posted the whole thing, would he?"

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Matt Slick

Here are a couple interesting debates involving Matt Slick you might want to check out, as they do shed more light on the divergent views regarding many of the issues being discussed in this thread:

• "Dr. Sungenis humiliates Matt Slick" (Part 1)

• "Dr. Sungenis humiliates Matt Slick" (Part 2)

(One of the reasons I believe Matt Slick sounds so harshly abrasive and bitterly obnoxious lately is because not long ago his daughter came out publicly as a professed atheist.   We should all pray for him and for his daughter, as well as for all his misguided followers.)

Goodnight to all!

[boatbums]

Self-righteousness? No. Merely the realization that the secular attitude towards charity is pervasive in our society. To the point where it is espoused even among Christ's people.

Excuse me, but the common "secular" attitude pervasive in our society matches Catholicism much more than any other non-Catholic faith. Today, in our government, people are given a "free ride" to just sit around and get into trouble. The poorest of the poor in America do better than many middle classes in other countries. We will never solve the poverty problem by throwing more money at it. How many TRILLIONS have been spent already in this "War on Poverty" and there are even MORE "poor" than there has ever been here before then. Government largess has only served to weaken the family and keep multiple generations trapped in the welfare cycle. There is no incentive to work for many.

God loves a cheerful giver but our charitable giving should NEVER be viewed as a way to earn God's grace to be saved. The motive should be out of love for God and our fellow man, not earning our way to heaven by works of charity. I also resent statements that conclude "Protestants" don't care as much for the poor as Catholics do. A great many charitable organizations and ministries are funded and operated BY non-Catholic Christian groups. Those who are truly in need must be provided for by ALL - not just religious groups. By having the government take over that responsibility through confiscatory taxation only has served to diminish ALL of us - those in need as well as those who can and want to give.

[boatbums]

Read your footnotes and stop believing what someone tells you.

LOL! What do you think footnotes are? Something "someone" is telling you about the passage.

[Elsie]

Can Roman Catholics be saved?

SURE!

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Next question:

Do Catholics have the ASSURANCE that they are saved?

[Elsie]

What does “ecumenical” mean in this context?

Think Rodney...

[Elsie]

I agree.

GOD is MUCH better at figgerin’ all this out than we flawed humans!

[Elsie]

Yes, through their baptism through water and the Holy Spirit.

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

[Elsie]

Keep reading, and you’ll meet Salvation.

[Elsie]

The author is in error here because Catholicism is centered on Jesus Christ, our Savior.

So is Mormonism - you can read 'JESUS CHRIST' on all their buildings.

[Elsie]

The author is in error here because Catholicism is centered on Jesus Christ, our Savior.

And, all around the center, is...

[Elsie]

So many creeds...

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Here is MORMONism's own creed:

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Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 

[Elsie]

YEA!!!

Our old narses is BACK!!

[Elsie]