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To: metmom
As I said in the post to which you are responding, I am not volunteering for a theological food fight. I have read many of your posts here and I am convinced that, whatever our doctrinal differences, you are a very sincere and knowledgeable committed Reformed Christian (or whatever term you may prefer. You were baptized Catholic and found the Church wanting, following your conscience and your understanding of God's word elsewhere. I am a baptized Catholic, catechized by the Jesuits in my youth and so long ago that the Jebbies were still seriously Catholic.

The liturgical changes after Vatican II almost led me out of the Church to our close cousin denomination, the Russian Orthodox or Greek Orthodox. Catholic friends persuaded me to wait a year and subscribe to the Wanderer weekly newspaper and then decide. They were right (as I see it). I remained Catholic, wearied spiritually by the cultural destruction in the Church and in civilization wrought by the liberal regimes of John XXIII and Paul VI. I consider that my staying Catholic was then rewarded by the election of John Paul I (canonizing him would be a great idea) and the election of St. John Paul II, a brilliant pontiff.

You and I sharply differ on numerous points of theology. I am not changing my mind or my commitments. I will die a Roman Catholic and a sinner when my time comes. I have every confidence that you have likewise found a home that is likely a permanent commitment for you. That is an important reason why I do not invite or generally engage in religious controversies here other than on those occasions when the actual doctrines of Roman Catholicism are being distorted or attacked by people who are claiming Catholicism falsely (SSPX types or folks who wrongly claim Catholicism) or otherwise being ignorant of the Faith or are lying about it intentionally).

I have never doubted that there are tremendous numbers of good and holy people whose souls have been saved for heaven but have never been Catholic or that many Catholics die and go straight to hell for mortal unrepented sins.

It may seem that I take born-again Christianity less than seriously. I do not doubt the sincerity or even holiness of those who profess Jesus Christ as their Savior at the time that that commitment was made. I do not believe, however, that an 18-year old, burning with honest faith and knowledgeable of his or her commitment to Jesus Christ, will thereafter be immune from human nature and our common tendency to sin so that the person falls into serious sin thereafter. It is all too easy to say that sins committed forty years later prove the commitment to Christ to be a false one. You may disagree with that insight but neither of us is likely to change his/her mind. We probably agree on 90-95% of Christianity. I would rather concentrate with on that than on the disagreements.

In the pro-life cause (inaccurately called Operation Rescue) in my previous state, as a trial attorney, I represented without fee 1100 people arrested for generally serious felony charges like burglary for entering abortion mills, de-sterilizing the instruments, pouring raw eggs into the suction machines and generally putting a targeted mill out of action for several weeks. Many were Catholics but many others were various denominations or none but born again Christians willing to be jailed and physically punished to save the lives of unborn babies. Of 1100 determined and beautifully stubborn Christians who refused to plead guilty, refused to be photographed or fingerprinted in many cases, refused to cooperate with jailers, cops or judges, about 30 were convicted of anything and generally those convicted were convicted of the legal equivalent of a parking ticket (and refused to pay).

For me, it was a pleasure to represent such extraordinary people (including Father Norman Weslin who later was arrested for protesting Obozo's invitation to speak and receive an honorary degree at Notre Shame). Each was represented individually, according to his or her own moral and theological convictions and I saw to it that each was allowed to tell judge or jury their reasons for their actions in their own terms, often specific Biblical passages.

As I respected them, I respect you but I disagree with you on matters of doctrinal nature nonetheless. I wish you the best in all matters political and many matters theological but not those where you differ with Catholicism.

In any event, may God bless you and yours and all of the very good things you do! Your Catholic brother in Christ.

203 posted on 05/30/2014 2:10:18 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: BlackElk
It may seem that I take born-again Christianity less than seriously. I do not doubt the sincerity or even holiness of those who profess Jesus Christ as their Savior at the time that that commitment was made. I do not believe, however, that an 18-year old, burning with honest faith and knowledgeable of his or her commitment to Jesus Christ, will thereafter be immune from human nature and our common tendency to sin so that the person falls into serious sin thereafter. It is all too easy to say that sins committed forty years later prove the commitment to Christ to be a false one.

There is a world of difference between struggling with and occasionally falling into sin, and living an unchanged, unrepentant lifestyle of sin. When someone is born of the Spirit of God, they WILL change. It cannot be helped because the person is given a new nature, the nature of Christ.

So you can be saved, still sin, and still go to heaven even if you sin.

My own brother stood up and *prayed* a prayer to *accept* Jesus while at an Amway meeting. There was absolutely ZERO change in his life. That was about 30 years ago and to this day, he has never given the slightest indication of having actually been saved.

When I asked him about doing it, he told me that *Oh, that was just something you did as being part of Amway*.

So, yes, making a profession is meaningless. Talk is cheap. And lots of people want fire insurance and are mistakenly led to believe that if they pray a prayer, they are good to go.

I will die a Roman Catholic and a sinner when my time comes.

You have no idea how it breaks my heart to hear someone admit that. You don't have to die in a state of sin. Jesus became sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God. He took all our sin so that He could give us all His righteousness.

I am not Reformed. I resist labels like oil resists water. Hate em.

But my appeal to you is to forget the denominational stuff and simply ask God to reveal to you Himself, the life you can have in Jesus through faith in Him. Just ask Him to forgive you and give you that gift of eternal life.

It's obvious that you have a heart for God and are burdened over your sin. Ask Him to remove them through His forgiveness.

Then you can die knowing for sure you are a child of the living God who sometimes struggles with sin, but whom the Father loves and will never cast out.

There is an Evangelical pastor I know who used to live here in CNY who was one of those who went to jail for a month for contempt of court because he would not agree to the judges instructions to avoid the abortion clinic. He said it was the best thing that ever happened to him spiritually.

204 posted on 05/30/2014 2:47:31 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: BlackElk

Thank you for all that wonderful work for saving the life of the unborn.

What an encouragement your account is.

God bless you richly for that.


205 posted on 05/30/2014 2:49:32 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: BlackElk
You sound like a very honorable man/woman. Best wishes to you and yours, and my The Lord grant you long life.

Your Calvary Chapel brother in Christ.

207 posted on 05/30/2014 4:33:20 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: BlackElk
It may seem that I take born-again Christianity less than seriously. I do not doubt the sincerity or even holiness of those who profess Jesus Christ as their Savior at the time that that commitment was made. I do not believe, however, that an 18-year old, burning with honest faith and knowledgeable of his or her commitment to Jesus Christ, will thereafter be immune from human nature and our common tendency to sin so that the person falls into serious sin thereafter. It is all too easy to say that sins committed forty years later prove the commitment to Christ to be a false one.

Very accurate example of the problem in those denominations; it reminds me of the sale;, once made, move on the the next customer and don't look back to really evaluate what is happening.

226 posted on 05/31/2014 5:19:26 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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