Protestants Need to Convert (and Bad Catholics need to Revert)

http://catholicism.org ^ | November 5, 2013 | Brother Andre Marie

[NKP_Vet]

Controversial, yes, but true. Otherwise, we don’t believe in Church dogma or the reality of the sin of heresy.

Michael Voris makes some good points in this video. To the line “we don’t talk about religion and politics here,” he has added a third forbidden subject, sex. Regarding the older form of that yarn, Brother Francis once made an innocently humorous response to someone while he was out doing our work on the streets. A man said to him, “There are two things, we don’t talk about here!”

To which Brother responded, with a slightly feigned naïveté, “Really? What are those?”

“Religion and Politics!” responded the man.

And Brother said, “What’s wrong with politics?”

[tophat9000]

So when Christ returns..is he coming back as, a Catholic?, a Jew? a Protestant.?

If Christ returns as a Catholic..he got a little problem in he has to follow the Catholic Church and the Pope to be a good Catholic.

But he had the problem the first time around with the Pharisees and the Sadducee's demanded he must follow them to be a good Jew...

Christ die for being a heretic, a "Protestant" ( Protestant = protest) to the Church of his day

Catholics are good Christians but not all good Christians have to be Catholic

[NKP_Vet]

“according to the Bible not the Catholic Church”

You mean the Bible compiled by the Catholic Church, and canonized by the Catholic Church, so YOU would know what was divinely inspired and what was not. If you despise the Catholic Church, why do you read the Bible? Without the Catholic Church there would be no Bible.

[Salvation]

I believe you are wrong.

[Free Vulcan]

Since when? All of these split off over 1500 years ago. Even the two leaders of the Catholic and Orthodox themselves don’t acknowledge that:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765653966/Pope-patriarch-pray-in-Holy-Sepulcher-church.html

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Pope-in-Israel:-our-disagreements-must-not-frighten-us-and-paralyse-our-progress-towards-unity-31176.html

They’ve only been talking since JPI, after 1000 years of division.

The Coptics have their own Pope, and he doesn’t live in Rome, nor do they acknowledge the RCC Pope as their authority. They’ve got their own issues with Rome:

http://www.examiner.com/article/when-the-coptics-choose-a-pope-they-leave-the-final-choice-up-to-god

http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/5384/

http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2013/05/09/pope-visits-roman-counterpart/

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/26/world/pope-seeks-to-heal-divisions-with-egyptian-coptic-christians.html

The Syriacs have their own Patriarch as well, no indication they acknowledge Rome either:

http://www.armradio.am/en/2014/05/21/armenian-church-leaders-welcome-new-syriac-orthodox-patriarch/

[Deo volente]

Your post is one of the reasons I spend very little time anymore in this forum.

I was pinged to this thread and decided to take a peek. Big mistake.

[Lady Heron]

Before anybody yells at me for being too harsh on Catholics...there are very many Protestant Churches I would want no part of either. If the preaching does not match what is in the "Bible" then the church is a waste of time.

Everybody has the responsibility of reading God's word and discerning whether truth is being taught in the church you are attending or not. If you are led astray because you are too lazy to take time to read what is in God's word then the fault is in good part on your own shoulders.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Amen. Keep up the Good Work.

[Mark17]

We could beat the birth control dead horse for decades, and it would not matter much. It is not that other issues are not important. They are simply not important, compared to the MOST important issue, and that is: what is the correct plan of salvation. If people do not get that right, it does not matter what else they might get right. Normally, I do not get into these discussions, because, mostly they are not discussions. They are generally counter productive. More than likely, no one is going to change anyone’s mind, so I generally don’t get involved.

[boatbums]

There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers. (Proverbs 6:15-19)

[Lady Heron]

Gee, I guess my post 126 was a few seconds too late.

Sorry, the Catholic Church did not write the Bible so I feel no need to bow down to the church and not all of the Catholic Bible is part of the Bible the Protestants use(for very good reasons).

There is much more to the story than your simplistic devotion to a group of people that have done so much damage in history to God's word because power was more important than the word of God.

No, there are many good reasons to Protest the Catholic Church when it messes with the word of God in so many instances.....but then again there is the same reason to abandon Protestant Churches that are not following the word of God anymore also.

If the preaching is not totally inline with what you read in the "Bible"....RUN!!!!!

What is it the "Bible" says about lukewarm Christians???....spew worthy????? If that is the case, is it better to love the word of God or an institution? Me, I pick God's word over any institution once it shows me even once it is not following what the "Bible" says.

I choose God first then select the church that follows His word. You are telling us to choose the church over God and try and make God fit into your box....no thanks...I would rather fit into God's box than yours.

[Salvation]

You are right. There are some Coptic Churches that are Eastern Orthodox.

And then there are some that are Catholic.

I’m not familiar with the others. But there are Eastern branches too.

I’ll post another chart that shows it more clearly.

[Salvation]

 

RITE	CHURCHES THAT USE THIS RITE	ORIGINAL LITURGICAL LANGUAGE	PATRIARCH	POINT OF ORIGIN
1.ROMAN	All Roman Catholics	Latin	Bishop of Rome	Rome
MOZARABIC	Archdiocese of Toledo Spain	Latin	Bishop of Rome	Spain
AMBROSIAN	Archdiocese of Milan, Italy	Latin	Bishop of Rome	Milan
BRAGAN	Archdiocese of Braga, Portugal	Latin	Bishop of Rome	Braga
DOMINICAN	Dominican Priests	Latin	Bishop of Rome	St. Dominic
CARMELITE	Carmelite Priests	Latin	Bishop of Rome	St. Berthold
CARTHUSIANS	Carthusian Priests	Latin	Bishop of Rome	St. Bruno
2. BYZANTINE	Belarussian	Old Slavonic		Belarussia
	Bulgarian	Old Slavonic	Apostolic Exarch for Catholics of the Byzantine-Slav rite in Bulgaria	Bulgaria
	Croatian	Old Slavonic	Bishop of Kricevci	Croatia
	Greek	Greek	Apostolic Exarch for Catholics of the Byzantine rite in Greece	Greece
	Hungarian	Greek	Bishop of Hajdudorog, Apostolic Administrator of Miskolc	Hungary
	Italo-Albanian	Greek	Local Latin Bishop	Italy
	Melkite	Greek	Melkite Greek Patriarch of Damascus	Syria/Lebanon/Israel
	Romanian	Romanian	Archbishop of Fagaras and Alba Julia	Romania
	Russian	Old Slavonic	Apostolic Exarch in Russia	Russia
	Ruthenian	Old Slavonic	Bishop of Mukacevo of the Byzantines	Ukrania
	Slovakian	Old Slavonic	Bishop of Presov of Catholics of the Byzantine rite	Slovakia
	Ukrainian	Old Slavonic	Major Archbishop of Lviv of the Ukranians	Ukrania
3.ALEXANDRIAN	Coptic	Coptic	Patriarch of Alexandria of the Copts	Egypt
	Ethiopian	Ge'ez	Archbishop of Addis Ababa of the Ethiopians	Ethiopia/Somalia
4. SYRIAC	Syriac		Syriac Patriarch of Antioch	Syria
	Malankarese	West Syriac	Metropolitan of Trivandrum of the Syro-Malankarese	India
5. ARMENIAN	Armenian	Classical Armenian	Patriarch of Cilicia of the Armenians	Armenia
6. MARONITE	Maronite	Aramaic	Maronite Patriarch of Antioch	Lebanon
7. CHALDEAN	Chaldean	Syriac	Patriarch of Babylon of the Chaldeans	Iraq
	Malabar	Syriac	Major Archbishop of the Malabar rite	India

 

Published by The Minnesota St. Thomas More Chapter of Catholics United for the Faith, March/April 2000.

 

[impimp]

And scripture doesn’t contradict itself. So how do you reconcile 2:5 with 2:1-4? I know how the Catholic church does.

[SoConPubbie]

In the end, Protestantism is madness. It’s a relatively new religious phenomenon, only 500 years old, and it will eventually go extinct, just as many other heretical movements before it. The only hope for any Christian involved in Protestantism is to turn to the traditions of ancient Christianity, and there he will find the Catholic Church faithfully keeping them throughout the centuries, right up until the modern time. As Michael Voris pointed out in his videos above, there must be sanity. Christians need an authority outside of Scripture to teach us what the Scriptures mean, and Jesus Christ set up that authority for us in the Catholic Church. Either we accept it, or we reject it, but we will find no stability in our Christian lives until it is fully embraced.

In the end, it is that very Protestantism that has given me the very thing the Catholic church and it's traditions and suppression of the Gospel of Jesus Christ could not give me, the pathway to heaven.

It is through that very Protestantism that gave me the knowledge of my need of a Savior. My utter and complete sinfulness and helplessness in correcting that sinfulness even as Paul spoke about in Chapter 7 of Romans.

It was through that selfsame Protestantism that I learned that only through faith in Christ, that I can be saved, as described in John 3:16:

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

It was through that selfsame Protestantism that I learned that I was commanded by Christ himself that I must be born again.

John 3:1-21

1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


It was through that very same Protestantism that I learned that I could KNOW that I was born again, and not only born again but freed from sin so that I did not need to sin anymore:

Romans 8: 1-16

1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

John 14: 16-26

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

It was through that very same Protestantism that I learned that his Holy Spirit would teach me all things I needed to know, not the Pope, not some Priest, but God himself:

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


You can keep your teachings of Mortal Men, your traditions brought to you and taught to you by fallible men.

I will keep my salvation, my seat in heaven, brought to me by the Gospel presented to me by the very Protestantism that you slander, unhindered by your traditions.

It is by my very salvation experience, the forgiveness of my sins, the New Birth that Christ himself gave me according to his very own Gospel, the Freedom from my sins that drug me down daily that, and the witness of the Holy Spirit as described by Paul in Romans chapter 8 that I know how mistaken you are.

And when you make the judgement bar of Christ, you will know how wrong you have been.

God does not smile on your behavior.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

“Protestantism gave us abortion, artificial contraception, living together without being married, sexual promiscuity, not calling sin sin, as in homosexual “marriage”.”

Yup, all those leftist, Democrat politicians...Pelosi, the Kennedy’s, Biden, etc who support abortion, etc are protestants? NOT!

So what say you? It is your Catholic Democrats that support all those things. It has nothing to do with Protestantism.

(And btw I am not a Protestant).

[Faith Presses On]

You left out what secular entertainment, education, psychology, and atheistic science have done. All of those were uncritically embraced by Bible-rejecting Protestant churches like the Episcopalians, Presbyterian USA, and liberal Lutherans and Methodists, etc., as well as the Catholic Church. Bible-believing churches alone rightfully warned that they were antichrist and would poison hearts and minds if not looked at through the eyes of Christ, but the mainline Protestants and Catholics followed the world and regarded Christians who applied God’s Word to these things as the “Church ladies” mocked by Saturday Night Live. Culture produces society and the people in it, and an antichrist culture will produce people incapable of truly grasping their sin and its offense to God, exactly what we have now.

[Free Vulcan]

What a ridiculous argument. Remember that the Eastern Orthodox church was essentially created by decree by Constantine, who split the Eastern and Western Roman Empires. That was not exactly popular with the already established ecclesial bodies.

By your logic, you must then consider the Eastern Orthodox church as illegitimate as Protestantism.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

“Even the pope will learn that he will be judged just like the rest of us.”

And it does not matter how ‘Saintly’ he has been made by the ‘church’ that is no more than an obsticle for many followers of the ‘doctrine’.

[NKP_Vet]

And your leftist president who has all but destroyed Christianity in the United States claims to be a protestant.
Have a nice night.

[NKP_Vet]

The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church are legitimate churches of Christ. Both have apostolic sucession, even though the Orthodox Church broke away from the true Church, which is the Roman Church, and they share the same sacraments. Protestantism on the otherhand is a heresy.