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To: Telepathic Intruder
Good points. We definitely see homosexuality in nature. Here's something I posted on FR years ago:

That some would rely upon animals to 'teach humans' anything betrays its fundamental lack of any moorings, or for that matter, of much in the way of common sense. To see this, let us first remember what animals do.

Animals, among other 'criminal' activities:

None of these activities inform how we regard cannibalism, murder, gang rape, marriage, the rightful place of the sexes, or incest. What happens in the animal kingdom is irrelevant to what occurs in the human realm.

Humans are different from animals in countless ways. Humans speak, write, have a sense of personal history and the history of their culture (and often of other cultures as well). They think about and plan for the future, have theories about what makes the world tick (e.g., believe in God, Evolution, or alien visitors), and devise schemes of how the world 'should be' (e.g., have legal systems and cultural ideals 'everyone is equal', only a man and a woman can be married,' etc.).

Humans also change the world in innumerable ways (build roads, buildings bridges, tunnels), and manipulate the earth for food and entertainment (e.g., horticulture, husbandry, planetary exploration). Animals, as near as we can determine, do none of these things. Even when they 'use tools' (like sticks or rocks), animals display only rudimentary skill at the enterprise.

If we arbitrarily pick which animal behaviors to value, then any such study from which we get insights for human behavior is a complete waste of time.

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For the record I didn't write the above and the source is no longer available.

Sheesh. That brings up too many memories. I do NOT miss the debate and tired of it years ago.

77 posted on 05/21/2014 5:50:08 PM PDT by scripter
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To: scripter
Well put.

Gore Vidal (gay) said: homosexuality is "natural". It is NOT normal, but it is "natural".

Even HE noted that fact.

79 posted on 05/21/2014 5:54:25 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: scripter

Any of your points are fertile grounds for debate. Although you’d make a good sparring partner in this sense, I fear we agree too much. Unlike animals, we do have a spiritual side to us, not totally explained by nature. Nature itself is a good teacher, but a horrible master. We were made to conquer it, not for it to conquer us.

Say, for example, we return control of the planet back to nature, as the nice progressives believe. No more rubbing sticks together to make fire, no more trading bear skins for corn grown on land cleared of trees. Would we be better off? History shows that primitive societies are wiped out by the predatory ones until they learn to adopt the most ruthless means of defense available. In the same sense, we are facing another predatory enemy.


96 posted on 05/21/2014 6:31:37 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: scripter
Animals, among other 'criminal' activities:


114 posted on 05/22/2014 7:10:05 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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