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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

**This is no help, you are quoting passages and are hoping to goad me into doing the hard work of explaining .............. and then I shall educate you. But only until then.**

You were very easy to correct, concerning the ‘what name are you even referring to’ question. And you certainly know how to spin, dodge, and weave, AND not answer my questions. Long rants of your supposed superior knowledge

Do you even realize that God the Father is a Spirit (Jn 4:23,24), that no man hath seen him? (the only BEGOTTEN Son, he hath declared him). The Christ is the image of the INVISIBLE God.

Paul, while on Mars hill made it plain that God is ‘not far from any one of us’. David declared that no matter where he would be, the highest heights or the deepest depths, “Thou art there”.

Paul again, saying: “One God (no comma) and Father of ALL, who is above ALL, and through ALL, and in you ALL”. Eph. 3:6

God is IN Christ. The Son declares it, as do the apostles and prophets. Jesus Christ is the audio and visual expression of God the Father (’the express image of the invisible God’). So much so, that the Son could say to Thomas: “from henceforth ye know him, and HAVE SEEN HIM”; and to Philip: “He that hath SEEN me, hath SEEN the Father”.

If you want the flesh of the Son to be God, then you should be praying to Mary, ‘the mother of God’ (maybe you do, although I thought you were a Calvinist).

**Isa 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.**

The Son (remember, the one that God has ‘made both Lord and Christ’) was raised by the ‘glory of the Father’ (Rom. 6:4).
In these last days God speaks to us by his Son. The ‘I AM’, the ‘redeemer’, the ‘only true God’ is IN the Son.

**That makes no difference whether one receives the “Comforter” in time, who, by the way, you must acknowledge as God if you say it this way (you seem to deny this later in the post).**

The Comforter is the Holy Ghost, which PROCEEDETH FROM the Father. That’s why it’s called the Spirit of God, not God the Spirit. You go on and say you can produce verses all day that agree with the unscriptural ‘phrases ‘God the Son’ and ‘God the Holy Ghost’, yet only produce John 1:1, which is a declaration showing the source of the Word (the Christ expressing those words perfectly, because ‘he is in the Father, and the Father in him.

You brought up John 1:4, and I answer it with the Christ’s own explanation (”For as the Father hath LIFE in himself; SO hath he GIVEN to the SON to have LIFE in himself; and hath GIVEN him authority...”. John 5:26,27), to which you spin, and dodge.

You can’t separate the Father from his Word, no more than you can separate yourself from the words that you speak.

Jesus Christ declared throughout the book of John that EVERY single thing divine is sourced back to the Father. THE CHALLENGE IS FOR YOU: SHOW ME WHERE HE POSSESSSED ONE SINGLE DIVINE ATTRIBUTE THAT DID NOT COME FROM THE FATHER. SHOW ME ONE SINGLE DIVINE ATTRIBUTE THAT THE FATHER RECEIVED FROM THE SON.

It’s so simple, as Peter said: “God hath MADE this same Jesus both Lord and Christ”. God is the Father, who dwells in the Son without limit, which is how the Son of God has been given all power in heaven and in earth.

I’m convinced that you really don’t know who God the Father is. Ever learning, yet unable to answer these simple questions:
In the scriptures, neither Jesus Christ, nor the apostles ever used the phrase ‘God the Son’, only the ‘Son of God’. True or false?

The Almighty God is IN Jesus Christ without measure. That’s what he, and his apostles and prophets declare. True or False?

So, in John 17:1-3, when Jesus Christ calls the Father ‘the only true God’ is he speaking the truth?

When the Christ said that the Father is in him doing the works (Jn 14:10), was he telling the truth?

When Paul said in 1 Cor. 8:6: “But to us there is but one God, the Father, OF whom are all things, and we in him;(semi-colon) and one Lord Jesus Christ, BY whom are all things, and we by him.”, was he telling the truth?


152 posted on 05/22/2014 6:58:49 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel
Paul again, saying: “One God (no comma) and Father of ALL, who is above ALL, and through ALL, and in you ALL”. Eph. 3:6

You are quoting Ephesians 4:6, you incompetent, nor is it speaking of the Father alone, but of "God." Your mistake is that you, who accuse me of separating the Godhead, are in fact the one separating the Godhead. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all the same God, not three different Gods. This same language is used of the Son, and also from Father to Son:

From 2 verses below the one you poorly cited:

Eph 4:10 He (Christ) that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.

Col 3:11 Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all.

"But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions." And, "You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end." (Heb 1:8-12)

Notice that the Father not only calls Him God, but continues by declaring "You, Lord," that is, the Son whom He is still speaking with, "laid the foundations of the Earth..."

So much so, that the Son could say to Thomas: “from henceforth ye know him, and HAVE SEEN HIM”; and to Philip: “He that hath SEEN me, hath SEEN the Father”.... The Comforter is the Holy Ghost, which PROCEEDETH FROM the Father. That’s why it’s called the Spirit of God, not God the Spirit.

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all coequal and living. The relationship is thusly: The Father begs from eternity; the Son is eternally begotten; the Holy Spirit proceeds from both. None are created, but all exist in this way from eternity.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... All things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made that was made." (John 1)

1Co 1:24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

There was never a time in which the Father did not have His wisdom and power, which is Christ Jesus.

The Father begets the Son from eternity, and in salvation He elects men from eternity, which the Son redeems in time. The Son is not the Father, nor does He claim to be the Father, but is always a distinct individual:

Rom. 1:7; 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3; Eph. 1:2; 6:23; Phil. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:1, 2; 1 Tim. 1:1, 2; 2 Tim. 1:2; Tit. 1:4; Phm. 3; James 1:1; 2 Peter 1:2; 2 John 3.

These are two persons, though one being. Not one being and person, and two objects with no will or personhood of their own. Christ declares that when you have seen me, you have seen the Father, because He is, as you confess, the image of the Father. However, the image of the Father is also God, His power, His wisdom, and His only begotten, uncreated: Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1; Titus 2:13; Acts 20:28; Rom 9:5; Heb 1:8; 2 Pet 1:8; 1 John 5:20; Heb 1:10 compared with Psalm 102; 1 Peter 2:3 compared with Psalm 34; 1 Pet 3:14-15 compared with Isaiah 8:12-13; Rev. 1:17, 22:13 compared with Isa. 44:6; 1 Tim. 6:15; Rev. 17:14; 19:16; John 1:3; 1 Cor. 8:6; Col. 1:16-17; Heb. 1:2; Rev. 3:14; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3; There has never been a time that the Father has not had a Son. The Son is not merely an "audio-visual" representation, but is the second member of the Trinity, hence He is both "with" God, and is God, and is in this role from the very beginning, hence He is eternal, and uncreated. The Holy Spirit is not an inanimate object, but is the third member of the trinity, proceeding from both the Father and Son. Hence the Spirit is called both the Spirit of God and of Christ:

Rom_8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Note again: The Holy Spirit is called both the Spirit of God and of Christ, because they are the same.

All three are active, performing their own unique roles in salvation, not one of them being an "it" or a mere "visual":

2Co_13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

And we are commanded to baptize in the name of all three, confirming their equality and personhood:

Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

If the Son and Holy Spirit are mere created beings, or even just objects, they would not be called God, nor would any one be baptized in their names in all equality.

Do you even realize that God the Father is a Spirit (Jn 4:23,24), that no man hath seen him?

And yet, the scripture explicitly declares that He has been seen, even in human form:

Gen 16:13; Gen 32:30; Exo 24:10-11, Exo 33:14, Exo 33:19-23; Num 12:8; Deu 5:24, Deu 34:10; Jdg 6:22-23, Jdg 13:21-22; Isa 6:5; Joh 1:18; 2Co 3:18, 2Co 4:6; Gal 1:6; Eph 1:17; Col 1:15; 2Ti 1:10; Heb 11:27.

The one seen in all these instances, therefore, must be the Son, who is the same God, while the Father remains invisible.

"He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high." (Hebrews 1:3) Not only does the Father call the Son "God," but He is the visible representation of all His glory, and the Son "upholds the universe by the word of His power." Paul, while on Mars hill made it plain that God is ‘not far from any one of us’. David declared that no matter where he would be, the highest heights or the deepest depths, “Thou art there”.

This is a pointless statement. Christ is omnipresent, as the scripture teaches:

Matt. 18:20; 28:20; John 3:13; Eph. 1:23; 4:10; Col. 3:11

Consequently, this also makes Him God, as omnipresence is a divine attribute.

The Son (remember, the one that God has ‘made both Lord and Christ’) was raised by the ‘glory of the Father’ (Rom. 6:4).

This is in reference to Christ as man, who is made "both Lord and Christ." The Word is made flesh, but the Word is from the beginning, and is therefore eternal (John chapter 1). When Christ is risen up and placed above all things, He is returning to where He was before:

Joh_17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

You brought up John 1:4, and I answer it with the Christ’s own explanation (”For as the Father hath LIFE in himself; SO hath he GIVEN to the SON to have LIFE in himself; and hath GIVEN him authority...”. John 5:26,27),

Christ is speaking of the power and authority He received from the Father as man in the giving of eternal life, not of that life and authority that He has as the "Almighty", who was "made flesh, and dwelt among us."

When Paul said in 1 Cor. 8:6: “But to us there is but one God, the Father, OF whom are all things, and we in him;(semi-colon) and one Lord Jesus Christ, BY whom are all things, and we by him.”, was he telling the truth?

Christ is the "power and wisdom of God," and was with the Father "before the world was," and from "the beginning," and so, all things are indeed made by Him and through Him. Not only does this make Christ uncreated (He made all things, and nothing was made without Him), this also makes Christ God, since He is the creator.

In the scriptures, neither Jesus Christ, nor the apostles ever used the phrase ‘God the Son’, only the ‘Son of God’. True or false?

False, since Christ isn't just called the "Son of God," though the Pharisees understood this as declaring equality with God.

Joh_5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

My other verses I've listed reveal a great many things that Christ is called, including "The Mighty God," "The Word was God," and so on and so forth.

The Almighty God is IN Jesus Christ without measure. That’s what he, and his apostles and prophets declare. True or False?

More technically, the Holy Spirit is in Christ:

Luk_4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

But the Spirit is called the Spirit of God and Christ, if you recall.

So, in John 17:1-3, when Jesus Christ calls the Father ‘the only true God’ is he speaking the truth?

Christ also declares that only God is good:

Luk_18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Is Christ good, true or false?

When the Christ said that the Father is in him doing the works (Jn 14:10), was he telling the truth?

Dr. Gill notes that the phrase is "expressive of the sameness of nature in the Father and the Son; of the Son's perfect equality with the Father, since the Son is as much in the Father, as the Father is in the Son."

Is the Son in the Father, true or false?

155 posted on 05/22/2014 10:12:26 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Zuriel

Typo, one sentence reads “The Father begs from Eternity”, the word I meant was “The Father begets from eternity.” The only beggar here is you.


156 posted on 05/22/2014 10:14:16 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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