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To: NKP_Vet

Acts 2:3-4 - the Holy Spirit came to the apostles in the form of “tongues” of fire so that they would “speak” (not just write) the Word.

Acts 15:27 - Judas and Silas, successors to the apostles, were sent to bring God’s infallible Word by “word of mouth.”

Rom. 10:8 - the Word is near you, on your lips and in your heart, which is the word of faith which is preached (not just written).

Rom. 10:17 - faith comes by what is “heard” (not just read) which is the Word that is “preached” (not read). This word comes from the oral tradition of the apostles. Those in countries where the Scriptures are not available can still come to faith in Jesus Christ.

1 Cor. 15:1,11 - faith comes from what is “preached” (not read). For non-Catholics to argue that oral tradition once existed but exists no longer, they must prove this from Scripture. But no where does Scripture say oral tradition died with the apostles. To the contrary, Scripture says the oral word abides forever.

Gal. 1:11-12 - the Gospel which is “preached” (not read) to me is not a man’s Gospel, but the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Eph. 1:13 - hearing (not reading) the Word of truth is the gospel of our salvation. This is the living word in the Church’s living tradition.

Col. 1:5 - of this you have “heard” (not read) before in the word of truth, the Gospel which has come to you.

1 Thess. 2:13 - the Word of God is what you have “heard” (not read). The orally communicated word of God lasts forever, and this word is preserved within the Church by the Holy Spirit.

2 Tim. 1:13 - oral communications are protected by the Spirit. They abide forever. Oral authority does not die with the apostles.

2 Tim. 4:2,6-7 - Paul, at the end of his life, charges Timothy to preach (not write) the Word. Oral teaching does not die with Paul.

Titus 1:3 - God’s word is manifested “through preaching” (not writing). This “preaching” is the tradition that comes from the apostles.


345 posted on 05/24/2014 6:13:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Just what are those traditions Paul was referring to that he handed down that we are to keep that were not included in Scripture?

How do you know?

How do you know they’re from the apostles, Paul in particular?

How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?

What is your source for verifying all of the above?

Please provide the sources for verification purposes.

351 posted on 05/24/2014 6:50:12 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Salvation

OK. So how do you know that the Catholic church is telling you the truth in its claims about itself and it’s alleged infallibility and its *Sacred Tradition* which it claims to put on par with Scripture?

Joseph Smith claimed to have divine revelation direct from God and Jesus.

Benny Hinn, Ken Copeland, Harold Camping, Ken Hagin, all claim to have heard God speak to them and have special divine revelation.

What makes the Catholic church claims any different? What makes them valid and the rest not?

What sound reason do you have to believe it over the others?


352 posted on 05/24/2014 6:57:01 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Salvation
cts 2:3-4 - the Holy Spirit came to the apostles in the form of “tongues” of fire so that they would “speak” (not just write) the Word.

For this and others to be valid,

Prove what was inspired of God was never written or that it was needful to pass one, and was. Without resorting to Rome says so.

Prove that all tradition that Rome says was passed on was the wholly inspired word of God, and included such things as the Assumption.

Show were a perpetual assuredly infallible magisterium is necessary for providence and assurance of truth.

Prove that infallible decrees of Rome which make traditions dogma are the wholly inspired word of God.

The orally communicated word of God lasts forever, and this word is preserved within the Church by the Holy Spirit.

Prove it.

oral communications are protected by the Spirit. They abide forever. Oral authority does not die with the apostles.

Prove these were preserved thru Rome, and why the Orthodox are wrong in disagreeing with Rome on what Tradition teaches.

Titus 1:3 - God’s word is manifested “through preaching” (not writing). This “preaching” is the tradition that comes from the apostles.

Prove it.

381 posted on 05/24/2014 9:19:36 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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