Posted on 04/20/2014 10:45:40 AM PDT by Old Yeller
Easter services today are expected to kick off a record-breaking week at the Vatican. Two beloved modern popes — John Paul II and John XXIII — are to be canonized at the Vatican next Sunday by Pope Francis. There will be services all week, which could draw the most pilgrims ever to the Catholic capital. John Paul II is remembered for helping to bring down communism and for inspiring a generation of Catholics.
Many now call him “The Great,” only the fourth pope to have earned the moniker. And while much of the crowd’s focus will be on the Polish pope’s remarkable achievements, Pope John XXIII — known as the “Good Pope” for his kindhearted nature — was no less revolutionary. Pope Francis bypassed the second miracle typically required for canonization for John XXIII, declaring that he deserved the honor for having convened the Second Vatican Council.
Rome officials said they expected 3 million visitors in the city during the period from the Easter celebrations this weekend and the canonization next Sunday. Nineteen heads of state and 24 prime ministers are expected to attend the canonization ceremony in St. Peter’s Square. In line with Pope Francis’s no-frills papacy, organizers said the canonizations would be a much more sober affair than the three-day extravaganza that marked John Paul’s beatification, the last step before sainthood, in 2011. Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the vicar of Rome, said some churches would remain open overnight on the eve of the canonization to provide a spiritual retreat for pilgrims, “but not much else.”
Francis has long signaled his support for making a saint of John Paul II, whose funeral nine years ago saw mourners chant, “Santo subito [Saint now]!”
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Guess there isn’t just one definition of idolize, huh?
I mean post #51.
Sorry SkyPilot.
It was not “making it personal”.
Here it is again:
“Now we have the lay folk defending Francis as if he can do no wrong despite his modernist, un-Catholic comments. Therein lies the idolatry.”
So you’re now arbitrarily changing the definition of ‘idolatry’? Idolatry is to worship as divine anything that is not divine - meaning anything or anyone other than the Divine Persons of the Trinity. You’re saying that is someone defends comments - which you have decided are modernist - that is worshipping a false god. You realize that makes absolutely no sense, right? Not only have you set yourself up as the judge of the popes but you actually are arbitrarily altering the universally understood meaning of a word - “idolatry” - to do it.
Maybe you should stick to what you know instead. I have no idea what that is. I have doubts that you even know what that is, but it would be less embarrassing for you in any case.
“Guess there isn’t just one definition of idolize, huh?”
So you’re saying that Pius V and Pius X and Innocent III and Pope Pius IX - carried in their sedan chairs and with all the pomp and ceremony of the medieval Church (which I have nothing against) - were “admired [less] fanatically” than Pope John Paul II was?
Really?
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Discuss the issues - the message, not the messenger.
Next time you believe another poster is “making it personal” send me a Freepmail rather than pinging me because that changes the focus of the thread to individual posters instead of the issues.
Bashing one mass rite in support of another is just simply plain WRONG, PERIOD.
I did not make it personal - as is made plain: “I have no idea what that is.”
How is it mind reading when I said this: “I have no idea what that is.”
The vast majority of Catholics in those days never had the opportunity to lay eyes on the Popes let alone be fed sound bites regarding their daily utterances. Contrast that with the cultivation of celebrity status by recent pontiffs in the mass communications era, which has resulted in the inevitable cult of personality surrounding them. The cult of personality blurs the line between traditional Church teachings and the personal opinions and behaviors of Popes (e.g. kissing Koran, beachball on altar, clown nose on Pope).
Makes one wonder who the real anti-pope is here.
Will do.
Now that’s your opinion.
“The vast majority of Catholics in those days never had the opportunity to lay eyes on the Popes let alone be fed sound bites regarding their daily utterances. Contrast that with the cultivation of celebrity status by recent pontiffs in the mass communications era, which has resulted in the inevitable cult of personality surrounding them. The cult of personality blurs the line between traditional Church teachings and the personal opinions and behaviors of Popes (e.g. kissing Koran, beachball on altar, clown nose on Pope).”
Sorry, but your comment is meaningless. Popes were shown far greater admiration in days past than nowadays. It’s just that simple.
When Satan entered the scene in the 60s (The world will be given over to Satan for a time; will penetrate the highest levels of the Church) the rules changed big time. Everything the church did or said since that time (which is different from tradition) is suspect. It is sinful to NOT attack the rotten fruits of the modernists and progressives. It is required that we DO affirm and defend the TRUE Church, unaltered.
Perhaps history repeats itself.
The NO for me is the ONLY mass rite I have known my whole life, the one that seems to be bashed in order to have TLM “pushed” onto me bigtime shows how weak your arguments are. Also it shows a lack of respect for my choice of mass worship. Plus it decreases my respect for those who attend TLM.
It was the only one I ever knew as well, so I do know what you mean.
How do you think the Catholics pre-Vatican II felt when all of a sudden the only mass they ever knew was taken out from under their feet? And until Benedict XVI came around it was gone, period. There was no choice to attend one or the other.
Perhaps you should start to think about the fact that the Catholic Church did not start in 1960. As a former Novus Ordo Catholic, I’m telling you that things changed big-time. We must learn our Traditional Faith. It is not the same as the Novus Ordo Faith.
Of course it is, if one ignores historical reality.
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