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I specifically did not mention names, which I had addressed in a previous post to you and Jim.

This is about a person on this forum who said I was dishonest for just repeating what I heard from multiple protestants.

and my post was specifically in response to daniel’s crack.

But the fact at issue is still in contention, now how do I address the specifics of the contention to be RM safe?

So I get called dishonest for repeating what I have been told by protestants,

and then I can’t respond to daniel’s claim of “more contrived Catholic polemics”

my response was not contrived,
I did respond to directly to his objection and
I did not mention the original posters name as I had asked you earlier

Now exactly what did I do wrong

and exactly how do I respond to get it to “fly”


714 posted on 04/09/2014 7:01:02 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: LurkingSince'98

don’t wanna let it go yet?


715 posted on 04/09/2014 7:03:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
I specifically did not mention names, which I had addressed in a previous post to you and Jim. This is about a person on this forum who said I was dishonest for just repeating what I heard from multiple protestants. and my post was specifically in response to daniel’s crack. But the fact at issue is still in contention, now how do I address the specifics of the contention to be RM safe?

Develop a thicker skin about it.

"For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with...insults..."
-- 2 Corinthians 12:10

716 posted on 04/09/2014 7:10:34 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: LurkingSince'98; daniel1212
This is about a person on this forum who said I was dishonest for just repeating what I heard from multiple protestants.

Making posts 'about' yourself or another Freeper is "making it personal." It changes the flow of a debate from the issues to ad hominems which often lead to flame wars.

For a post to 'fly' on the Religion Forum, do not meet fire with fire. If someone has gotten personal with you, send me a Freepmail - don't fan the flames.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

I will also pull daniel1212's post 670 because it quotes a now pulled post. He may repost it without the quote (I'll send a copy of it to your Freepmail, daniel1212.)

719 posted on 04/09/2014 7:32:36 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: LurkingSince'98; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; metmom; ...
I honestly do not know what post of yours i am not sppsd to quote, but will repost what i had without any quotes of what you said, and add a bit more to my own.

What there is more of on Tuesday is more contrived Catholic polemics. You should make at least a 750 donation for RCs using FR as RC promotional and apologetics service, and for engaging in such specious contrivances as here. For consider the absurdity of your challenge. Not only do RCs define “Protestant” so broadly that you can drive a Unitarian/Mormon/Watchtower 747 thru its gate, but you carefully said “a” protestant service on any Sunday. Which means you simply have to find one Unitarian church or whatever in the whole world that has less Scripture than in a Catholic Mass!

Moreover, what you also leave out is that much of the Scripture you do hear in a Mass is repetition. Besides the standard readings one hears weekly as part of the liturgy, the readings for SUN TWENTIETH SUNDAY IN ORDINARY TIME (picked at random) were listed as : Is 56:1, 67/ Rom 11:13-15, 29-32/Mt 15:21-28. A total of 17 verses if i counted correctly, out of approx. 31,000 total verses in just the Prot. canon. And when i was a RC lector (late 70's) some of the readings were in brackets and could be omitted.

Meanwhile the stats i have state:

Only going to Mass will not give one a functional knowledge of Scripture. The average Catholic does not even get to Mass weekly, less alone daily as would be needed to get just 12.7% of the Bible over the two year reading cycle. (http://catholic-resources.org/Lectionary/Statistics.htm)<

: It has been established that historically Rome did not overall encourage Bible literacy among the laity, and can be said to have even hindered it. And until recently little of the Bible was read in Mass, and today this is still not much.

“At mid-century study of Bible texts was not an integral part of the primary or secondary school curriculum. At best, the Bible was conveyed through summaries of the texts.” (The Catholic Study Bible, Oxford University Press, 1990, p. RG16) Even by 1951 just a little of the gospels and the epistles were read on Sundays, with just 0.39% of the Old Testament (aside from the Psalms) being read at Vigils and major feast days in 1951 - http://catholic-resources.org/Lectionary/Statistics.htm)< /p>

Furthermore, evangelicals not only read the Bible more themselves, Catholics coming in about last, but they also are far more likely to attend a Bible study.

Bible Reading: the highest was 75%, by those going to a Pentecostal/Foursquare church who reported they had read the Bible during the past week (besides at church), while the lowest was among Catholics at 23% - http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/54

Moreover, what also matters is not simply how much Scripture is read, but the basis for determining Truth, and how much Truth is heard that is based upon the Scriptures as the assured word of God.

One can "preach the word" without directly quoting much Scripture, though they normally should, while in cults as in Rome, the "laity" look to the org. as the assuredly faithful interpreters of Scripture, and implicit assent called for, and thus objectively searching the Scripture in order to ascertain the veracity of what is preached, after the manner and means of the noble Bereans, (Acts 17:11) is discouraged.

Now I can make a challenge. You chose someone you think you can trust to go to the local SBC church down the street from here, in which a minister usually reads about an entire chapter of Scripture before the sermon begins, and then preaches for approx. 45 min (the approx. length or an entire Mass) from another book of the Bible, plus about 10 minutes of prayer, plus a midweek Bible study, and then go to the local RC mass, and we will see who gets the most Scripture as well as preaching from it on Sunday. And Wednesday.

And since you said “a Protestant service” then that should qualify. At least FR would get 750.00 (which i certainly do not have, as part of a non-profit work, by God’s grace).

724 posted on 04/09/2014 9:40:27 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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