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To: Elsie

He just dropped by to say Hi. I don’t see any worship or praying going on. Of course, I am a liar. Can they kick me out of here for that?


672 posted on 04/09/2014 5:42:00 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner
The Apostles met daily and they suffered persecution. We may only meet weekly and have incredible freedom from persecution. Yet others dangers lurk.

We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

689 posted on 04/09/2014 6:13:40 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: Karl Spooner; Elsie
I don’t see any worship or praying going on.

Well, the word *worship* is so open to debate that some of us prefer to get back to the basics.

Exodus 20:4-6 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Now, you can get into a spitting contest all day long about whether they worship Mary or not. They claim they don't even when they do all the actions involved in actual worship. So it really does cut into their credibility when they deny it, but no man knows their heart so you have to take them at their word, even when their own actions belie those very words.

OTOH, the Ten Commandments don't tell us to not worship other gods but do NOT make and image and do NOT BOW DOWN to them.

So semantics aside, the words are up for grabs about whether they are breaking any commandments but their actions aren't.

Those can be clearly and objectively evaluated.

God says not to bow down to images. In the picture Elsie and others have posted, the pope is CLEARLY BOWING DOWN BEFORE an image.

739 posted on 04/09/2014 12:08:54 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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